Se Bush vince, tocca all'Iran. Ma saranno cavoli amari...

[IlikeUSA]

In Origine Postato da multietnico
CON QUALI SOLDATI?

Ne hanno 1.400.000. E se non bastano si può sempre reintrodurre la leva.
Oppure si possono usare solo piloti.

[svicolone]

In Origine Postato da thematrix
1:non ho sorelle

2:zitto te lo dico quando voglio

1. non ho sorelle : PER FORTUNA!
2. ignorante e maleducato sei e rimarrai, compagnuccio.
studia che ti fa bene.

[IlikeUSA]

Abbiamo frotte di negri e ispanici da arruolare.
E se non bastano ne facciamo venire altri dall'Africa cristiana e dal Sudamerica, con la promessa della Green Card.
E le fanterie di colore saranno appoggiate dai piloti bianchi di F16 e B52.
Non vedo dove sia il problema.

[fux55]

In Origine Postato da IlikeUSA
Falluja si candida a entrare nella lista con Atlantide, Sodoma, Gomorra, Cartagine, Dresda, Hiroshima e Nagasaki.

..................... Ma alla fine MORDOR.................Sarà sconfitto.............E il BENE TRIONFERA'..........!!!

[fux55]

In Origine Postato da IlikeUSA
Abbiamo frotte di negri e ispanici da arruolare.
E se non bastano ne facciamo venire altri dall'Africa cristiana e dal Sudamerica, con la promessa della Green Card.
E le fanterie di colore saranno appoggiate dai piloti bianchi di F16 e B52.
Non vedo dove sia il problema.

.................... Tanti...........Tantissimi...........Orchetti ..........:ò ........A NOSTRA COMPLETA DISPOSIZIONE.......... PER LA MAGGIOR GLORIA DI MORDOR...........

[Decima Regio]

In Origine Postato da IlikeUSA
Ne hanno 1.400.000. E se non bastano si può sempre reintrodurre la leva.
Oppure si possono usare solo piloti.

Dato interessante. PotresTi postarmi la fonte ?

Io sapevo che 1.400.000 è l'intero personale dell'esercito, cuochi segretarie e imboscati compresi. I reparti combattenti erano 10 Divisioni (di cui due sono oramai pressochè annientate ; altre 4 sono composte di specialisti, non sprecabili nella guerriglia urbana) ed 8 Brigate indipendenti. Qualcosa più di 300.000 combattenti.

Del resto : gli U$a avrebbero in Mesopotamia 138.000 orcs - per OB, senza dedurre le perdite. Se il Tuo dato fosse minimamente realistico, avrebbero impegnato solo un decimo dei loro effettivi. Ora dovresti spiegarmi :
- perchè avrebbero avviato in Iraq due divisioni della Guardia Nazionale (i cui riservisti col cazzo che ci sono andati, hanno inviato regolare certificato medico ... ) ;
- perchè hanno supplicato B-liar di inviare sotto Bagdad l'ultima riserva, i 750 UKgoblins del Black Watch. Se avevano disponibili oltre 1.250.000 altri orcs ....

Circa la leva, sì, mi sembra molto probabile che dovranno reintrodurla.

[IlikeUSA]

Decima Regio: I reparti combattenti erano 10 Divisioni (di cui due sono oramai pressochè annientate)

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[beppe2]

In Origine Postato da IlikeUSA
Abbiamo frotte di negri e ispanici da arruolare.
E se non bastano ne facciamo venire altri dall'Africa cristiana e dal Sudamerica, con la promessa della Green Card.
E le fanterie di colore saranno appoggiate dai piloti bianchi di F16 e B52.
Non vedo dove sia il problema.

Che siate ciechi è risaputo. Altrimenti NON sareste andati in Iraq...

[Totila]

[QUOTE]In Origine Postato da IlikeUSA
Decima Regio: I reparti combattenti erano 10 Divisioni (di cui due sono oramai pressochè annientate)

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Today
Iraqi Resistance Report for events of Saturday, 30 October 2004 and Sunday, 31 October 2004
By: The Free Arab Voice on: 02.11.2004 [00:19 ] (933 reads)
Translated and/or compiled by Muhammad Abu Nasr, member editorial board The Free Arab Voice.




Al-Fallujah.


Forty US troops reported killed in fighting in al-Fallujah.

The US continued its attacks on al-Fallujah Saturday, striking areas in the city’s east and southeast, specifically the industrial zone and the ash-Shuhada’ neighborhood. US aircraft and tank cannon have bombarded the city. American forces tried to break into the city from the south, but were repulsed by the Resistance, who drove them back across the highway.

Later, US forces contented themselves with bombarding the city, destroying 15 to 20 homes in the ash-Shuhada’ neighborhood.

Resistance forces replied with 120mm and 82mm mortar rounds and with SPG9s, rocket-propelled grenades and C5K rockets.

Fighting raged for some three hours during the day as US troops tried to storm the southern parts of the city. Resistance forces drove them back and also hit US supply lines with three Grad rockets. On the firing line the Resistance fired 60mm and 82mm mortars, RPG7s, SPG9s, C5Ks, and BKCs. Sharpshooters also took part. Three Abrams tanks, one armored personnel carrier, and four Humvees were destroyed. When US forces fled, they left behind seven mortars that were seized by the Resistance. In all some 40 Americans were killed. The Americans tried to land snipers on rooftops in the city, but the Resistance picked them off.


Baghdad.


Major fighting in ar-Ridwaniyah leaves 22 Marines dead, helicopter downed.

Twenty-two US Marines and nine Iraqi Resistance fighters were killed Saturday afternoon at about 3pm in extremely fighting in the ad-Dawlibah area of ar-Ridwaniyah southwest of Baghdad. Resistance fighters fired RPG7 and C5K rockets and BKC automatic weapons, and mortars, destroying two armored Bradley vehicles and another armored car as well as two Humvees. The Resistance also shot down an Apache helicopter with a C5K. The fighting left three civilian houses destroyed and seven civilians martyred.

Four truck drivers killed in Baghdad ambush.

Iraqi Resistance forces attacked and totally destroyed two trucks bringing mineral water to US aggressor troops in the al-‘Adl neighborhood of Baghdad at about 10pm Saturday, killing four drivers of unknown nationality.

Two US supply trucks blown up.

Iraqi Resistance bombs exploded at about 9:40am Saturday in Abu Musaysir in the town of Abu Ghurayb, destroying two US supply trucks and killing one Asian driver.

Three American intelligence officers killed in ambush.

Three US intelligence officers were killed Saturday morning when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded on the highway near the al-Jihad neighborhood of Baghdad, destroying an armored GMC belonging to the US Central Intelligence Agency.

Seven American troops killed in morning ambush in al-Mushahadah.

Seven US troops were killed in al-Mushahadah in Baghdad Saturday morning when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded under a US patrol, destroying an American Bradley armored vehicle.

Three US troops killed in ambush.

A heavy Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded Saturday afternoon in the al-‘Amil neighborhood of Baghdad, destroying a US Humvee and killing three US troops.

Four US troops killed in tank.

At 2:45pm Saturday Iraqi Resistance forces detonated an extremely heavy bomb under a US Abrams tank in at-Tarimiyah north of Baghdad, blowing the turret off the tank and killing four US troops.

Seven US troops die in Resistance ambush in Salman Bak.

At 20pm Saturday Iraqi Resistance forces attacked a US patrol with C5K and RPG7 rockets in the Salman Bak area south of Baghdad, destroying two Humvees and killing seven US troops.

Resistance car bomb in as-Saqlawiyah kills six US troops Saturday afternoon.

At 4pm Saturday an Iraqi Resistance car bomb exploded near the gasoline station east of the city of as-Saqlawiyah west of Baghdad, killing six US troops and destroying one Humvee and disabling another. Five American troops in the disabled Humvee were wounded in varying degrees of severity.

The US troops were on a foot patrol according to the local correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam who said that they were far from their base when the Resistance car bomber struck them. The troops were not hit directly however, and as a result the casualties were fewer than they might otherwise have been.

High ranking US officer killed in ambush in ar-Ridwaniyah.

Two Iraqi Resistance bombs exploded in ar-Ridwaniyah area near Baghdad at about sunset Saturday, destroying a command Humvee and killing four US troops including one officer named Stewart based in at-Tallah.

Fierce fighting in al-A‘zamiyah leaves reported 14 American troops dead.

At 3:40pm Saturday Iraqi Resistance forces attacked a US force with five RPG7 rockets in the al-A‘zamiyah area of Baghdad, destroying two Bradley armored vehicles and three Humvees and killing 11 US troops on the vehicles and three who were on foot. Three Iraqi Resistance fighters were wounded in the combat, two moderately and one seriously. One witness said the later fighter died. Two Iraqi civilian women who were passing by were killed and three other civilians wounded when US indiscriminate gunfire cut them down.

Four US troops killed in ar-Ridwaniyah.

Four US troops were killed in ar-Ridwaniyah at about 20pm Saturday afternoon when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded, destroying their Humvee.

Three US soldiers, one Iraqi translator killed in Baghdad bombing.

Three US troops and one Iraqi collaborator working as a translator wee killed when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded at about 4pm Saturday afternoon in the ash-Shurtah al-Khamisah neighborhood of Baghdad, destroying their Humvee.

Four US troops killed, one wounded east of Baghdad.

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded in the Sulayman area east of Baghdad at about 8am Saturday, killing four US troops and seriously wounding one other.

Five American soldiers killed in Abu Ghurayb ambush.

Five US troops were killed when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded as a US patrol was passing through Abu Ghurayb at about 3pm Saturday afternoon. Resistance fighters then opened fire with RPG7 rockets, destroying a US supply truck and an escort Humvee.

Resistance inflicts casualties on US jailers in Abu Ghurayb.

Iraqi Resistance forces fired an 82mm mortar barrage at the US forces in Abu Ghurayb prison camp at 1pm Saturday. There were casualties, because three US helicopters were observed evacuating dead and wounded.

Five American troops killed in Abu Ghurayb bombing.

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded in the al-Kharnabat area of Abu Ghurayb at about 8:45am Saturday, destroying an American armored vehicle and killing five US troops.

Five American troops killed in al-Ghazaliyah.

Three Iraqi Resistance bombs exploded under a US patrol in al-Ghazaliyah, destroying three Humvees and one supply truck and killing five US troops.

Three American intelligence officers killed in as-Sayyidiyah ar-Raqi.

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded under a US GMC vehicle in the as-Sayyidiyah ar-Raqi neighborhood at exactly 2pm Saturday, destroying the GMC and killing three US intelligence officers.

Three American troops killed in ad-Durah.

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded under a US patrol near Hur Rajab in the ad-Durah area in Baghdad’s southern suburbs, destroying a Humvee and killing three and wounding one of the US troops aboard it.

Resistance bomb kills three US troops in ad-Durah.

Three US troops were killed and two others wounded when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded in the ‘Arab Jabbur area of ad-Durah in Baghdad’s southern suburbs at about 5pm Saturday afternoon.

Three Americans killed in ar-Rushdiyah.

A heavy Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded at about 3pm Saturday afternoon on the highway in ar-Rushdiyah area, blowing up a US armored vehicle and killing the three troops aboard.

Seven Badr Brigade gunmen killed.

Iraqi Resistance forces attacked two Nissan vehicles belonging to the Shi‘i chauvinist Badr Brigades militia on Hayfa Street in Baghdad, killing seven of the collaborator gunmen.


Al-Latifiyah.


Five US Marines killed.

Five US Marines were killed at 10:15am Saturday morning when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded next to a bridge in al-Latifiyah as a US patrol was passing, destroying one Humvee and disabling a second.


Balad – Salah ad-Din Province.


One US soldier killed, two wounded in attack.

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded as a US Humvee was passing through the al-Hamra’ area in Salah ad-Din Province, killing one US soldier and moderately wounding two others at about 2pm Saturday.

Supply drivers captured in ambush on convoy.

At about 20pm Saturday Iraqi Resistance forces attacked a US supply convoy north of Balad, destroying two provisions trucks with bombs and killing one American. Three others – two Americans and one Asian – were captured from the convoy.


Southern Iraq
.

Four Danes killed, one captured in Safwan.

Four Danish aggressor troops were killed and a fifth captured by the Resistance in Safwan, southern Iraq at about 8:10pm when Resistance forces attacked an aggressor column of Danish Landrovers and two Japanese tanks on the road in Safwan.

Resistance forces attacked the rear of the column, splitting it in two and cutting off eight Landrovers and one Japanese armored vehicle. Tow Landrovers were destroyed, four Danes killed, tow others seriously wounded, as was one Japanese. One Dane was taken prisoner.

Eyewitnesses reported that although the Japanese armored vehicles were there to protect the Danes, they were the first to flee. The Resistance concentrated their fire on them but they raced away, first to the east, then to the north to catch up to the first part of the split column, which had proceeded after the attack began, leaving the rear on its own.


Bombardments throughout Iraq.


At 2am Iraqi Resistance forces fired thirteen 82mm mortar rounds into the US base at the former Iraqi Meat company near the as-Suqur base south of Baghdad.

At 70am Iraqi Resistance forces fired five 82mm mortar rounds into the US base at as-Suqur base south of Baghdad.

At about 9am Iraqi Resistance forces fired two Grad rockets at the US base in Balad.

At about 9am Iraqi Resistance forces fired seven Katyusha rockets into the US base at the former Iraqi Meat company near the as-Suqur base south of Baghdad.

Iraqi Resistance forces fired six 82mm mortar rounds into the US occupation headquarters in the Republican Palace compound, known to the American invaders as the “green zone.”

At 8am Iraqi Resistance forces bombarded the camp of the puppet so-called “Iraqi national guard” at at-Taji with three 120mm mortar rounds.

At 3:15pm Iraqi Resistance forces fired two Katyusha rockets into the US base north of Tirkrit.

At 5pm Iraqi Resistance forces fired seven 82mm mortar rounds into the US airbase at al-Muthanna in Baghdad sending smoke into the sky.

At 6pm Iraqi Resistance forces fired two Grad rockets into the US as-Suqur base south of Baghdad.

At about 6pm Iraqi Resistance forces fired four Katyusha rockets into the US fodd supply facility near the as-Suqur base south of Baghdad.



Sunday, 31 October 2004.



Al-Fallujah – ar-Ramadi.


Fierce fighting rages Sunday night in ar-Ramadi.

Extremely fierce fighting broke out in ar-Ramadi city shortly before sunset Sunday and affected many areas of ar-Ramadi – around the ar-Ramadi Mosque, on 17 and 20 Streets, the al-Mal‘ab Street, ar-Rusiyin Street and out to the as-Sufiyah, al-Fajjariyah, al-Jazirah al-Bu Dhib areas and the industrial zone. Resistance fighters used a variety of weapons, including SPG9s, RPG7s, C5Ks and BKCs as well as light arms, machine guns, and hand grenades.

More than 45 US troops were reported killed according to the local correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam, and several US armored vehicles were destroyed. Five Humvees were destroyed throughout the city. US losses were sufficient to prompt American commanders to call in 2,000 more men.

Resistance shoots down US F-16 fighterbomber, captures pilot Saturday evening.

In a report posted at 5:15pm Mecca time Sunday, the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in al-Fallujah reported that on Saturday evening, Iraqi Resistance fighters opened fire with a four-barreled Dimitrov anti-aircraft weapon on a US F-16 fighter bomber, striking it at its base and setting its tail ablaze. The plane crashed in pieces near an-Nu‘aymiyah south of al-Fallujah. The local Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent reported that the pilot managed to bail out before the crash, and that local residents had reported that he had been captured. US ground troops launched a major search for the pilot but were unable to locate him.

Residents of the city leave in the face of US genocidal bombardment.

US forces shelled the ash-Shuhada’ and al-‘Askari neighborhoods and the industrial zone of al-Fallujah prompting many local residents to leave the city. The Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in the city reported that more than 120 residents had gathered in front of the Sharhabil ibn Hasanah School in the Abu Sudayrah village 8km north of the city. There they told the correspondent of their fears of continuous US bombings and shellings of residential neighborhoods, carried out on the groundless pretext that they are striking “terrorist hide outs.

US renews bombardment Sunday night.

Sunday evening US forces renewed their bombardment of al-Fallujah, shelling the al-Jaghifi neighborhood in the north of the city and the al-‘Askari neighborhood in its eastern parts. US aircraft, tanks, and mortars were blasting the city, as Resistance fighters returned fire in an engagement that was still under way when the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent posted his report at 11:40pm Sunday night local time (10:40pm Mecca time.)

Two F-16s bombarded al-Fallujah late into Sunday night. One plane struck the al-Jaghifi neighborhood, the other hit the al-Mu‘allimin neighborhood in the north of the city. The bombing, which was still under way when the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent submitted his report posted at 20am Monday, local time (10am Mecca time) also involved US tanks. Resistance fighters shouting Allahu Akbar! were firing back with 60mm, 82mm, 120mm mortars at the tanks.

New US atrocity on the road to al-Fallujah.

US forces opened fire on an Iraqi cabdriver by the name of Hashim Khalaf Isma‘il al-Mashhadani in his taxi on Sunday night as he headed along the road to al-Fallujah.

As he was proceeding along the road, al-Mashhadani ran into a new US checkpoint in the ash-Shukr area north of al-Fallujah, a checkpoint that he did not know was there. Without looking, US troops opened fire on the taxi, striking al-Mashhadani directly. Despite his wounds the driver did not die immediately. American troops, however, left him to bleed to death, preventing local people from helping him until he died a half an hour after the shooting.

Al-Mashhadani’s family – i.e., his wife, two sons, and two daughters, who were with him in the car, survived the American attack. The local correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam reported that al-Mashhadani was a resident of ar-Ramadi where he was regularly employed by the Customs Department.


Baghdad.


Fierce fighting on Hayfa Street.

Fourteen US troops were reported killed in a bloody battle on Hayfa Street in Baghdad’s al-Karakh district. Resistance forces opened fire with anti-tank RPG7 rockets at around 8am Sunday, and struck US Humvees and small armored vehicles with C5K rockets as well. Resistance sharpshooters also took part in the battle. The Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent on Hayfa Street reported that US troops were, nevertheless able to storm the street and captured 40 Iraqi civilians. US snipers also shot and killed eight Iraqi Resistance fighters.

Twenty US troops said killed in al-Khalidiyah ambush.

Twenty US troops were reported killed at 9am Sunday in al-Khalidiyah when Iraqi Resistance forces attacked a US column of three Humvees carrying nine US troops accompanied by 11 soldiers on foot. Resistance fighters opened fire with SPG9, C5K, and RPG7 rockets.

Resistance sows panic among US troops in as-Saqlawiyah base.

Iraqi Resistance forces fired a Katyusha rocket into a gathering of US troops inside their base at as-Saqlawiyah, panicking the American soldiers, and sending dozens of them fleeing outside the base. The local correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam reported that for two hours the US troops remained outside their base, for fear of resumed rocket attacks.

Two US troops killed, two wounded in ar-Ridwaniyah bombing.

At 10am Sunday a heavy Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded in ar-Ridwaniyah southwest of Baghdad, destroying one US Bradley armored vehicle and killing two US troops and wounding two others.

Two Marines die in Resistance ambush west of Baghdad Sunday morning.

Iraqi Resistance forces fired RPG7 rockets at a US supply convoy loaded with military equipment and provisions west of Baghdad, destroying one truck and killing two US Marines at about 8:15am Sunday morning.

Four American soldiers killed, one wounded in bombing in ar-Rashidiyah.

Four US troops were killed and one other wounded when an Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded in the ar-Rashidiyah area of Baghdad, destroying a Humvee at about 9am Sunday.

Four US troops killed in bomb attack at Salman Bak.

A very powerful Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded under a US patrol in the Salman Bak area south of Baghdad at about 80am Sunday morning, blowing a US Bradley armored vehicle in two and killing four American soldiers.

Seven US troops killed in ad-Durah Sunday morning.

Seven US troops were killed when a heavy Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded under a US patrol in the ad-Durah area of Baghdad’s southern suburbs at about 8am Sunday morning. The blast damaged a US Bradley armored vehicle. Resistance forces then attacked with C5K rockets setting the vehicle completely ablaze. They then fired two RPG7 anti-tank grenades, destroying a Humvee.

Two killed in Iraqi Resistance ambush of US supply convoy in ar-Ridwaniyah.

Iraqi Resistance forces attacked a US supply convoy on the highway in ar-Ridwaniyah at about 8:20am Sunday, firing RPG7 rockets at the cab and cargo area of a white supply truck loaded with provisions. The Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in the area reported that the truck was destroyed and two persons aboard it killed.

Resistance bomb kills two US troops in al-Hurriyah ad-Dawli‘i.

An Iraqi Resistance bomb exploded as a US patrol was passing through the al-Hurriyah ad-Dawli‘i area north of Baghdad at 9am Sunday, killing two US troops and wounding a third.


Salah ad-Din Province.


Five US troops killed in morning bomb attack.

At 90am Sunday morning three Iraqi Resistance bombs exploded under a US patrolin the area between Balad and Dujayl, north of Baghdad, totally destroying two Humvees and killing five US troops. (Some sources said seven Americans were killed in the attack.


Al-Hillah and the south.


Resistance pounds two US bases for 24 hours

Iraqi Resistance forces bombarded the US base between al-Hillah and al-Mahawil and the base near al-Mahmudiyah south of Baghdad with powerful Tariq rockets, Grad rockets, and mortar rounds in bombardments that continued almost uninterruptedly for 24 hours.

Two Danish troops killed in Sunday night ambush.

Two Danish aggressor troops were killed and two Landrover vehicles destroyed when the al-Faruq Brigades of the Iraqi Resistance attacked a Danish invader patrol on the Safwan military road in southern Iraq at about 100pm Sunday night. The Resistance fighters fired RPG7s and BKCs and detonated bombs.


Al-Basrah.


Collaborator Death Squad leader assassinated.

Iraqi Resistance fighters assassinated ‘Abd al-Hayy Kazim a top official in the Shi‘i chauvinist collaborationist Da‘wah Party in al-Basrah. The Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in al-Basrah reported that the Resistance struck in the 5 Mile area south of the city, opening fire on Kazim as he headed to work

The correspondent writes that Kazim was a prominent member of the Da‘wah Party’s death squad branch, that assassinated numerous supporters of the Iraqi Resistance.


Bombardments throughout Iraq on Sunday.


At 6am Sunday Iraqi Resistance forces fired five Katyusha rockets into the US as-Suqur base south of Baghdad.

At 7am Sunday Iraqi Resistance forces fired two Katyusha rockets into the headquarters of the US occupation in Baghdad, the Republican Palace compound, known to the US invaders as the “green zone.”

At 7:45am Iraqi Resistance forces fired two Katyusha rockets into al-Muthanna air base in Baghdad.

At 8am Iraqi Resistance forces fired four Katyusha rockets into al-Muthanna air base in Baghdad.

Resistance forces fired 12 various rockets - Grad, Katyusha, C5K, and other rockets and mortar shells – on British forces in their base north of al-Musayyib and south of al-‘Amiriyah. Resistance forces are particularly eager to target British troops now that they are moving out from their centers in al-Basrah to aid the US assaults on al-Fallujah.







The Report Totals for 2 days of fighting are:

U.S Soldiers Killed/Wounded............251
Cia Intelligence................ 6
Danish Soldiers................ 6

Humvees..........................34
APCs................................ 1
Abrams Battle Tank........... 4
Baradley fight vehicle.......0
Armoured Vehicles...........0
Trucks............................2
Apachee Helicopter............. 1
F-16 aircraft....................... 1


Fatti una bella risata ora...

[Fernando]

In Origine Postato da IlikeUSA
Abbiamo frotte di negri e ispanici da arruolare.
E se non bastano ne facciamo venire altri dall'Africa cristiana e dal Sudamerica, con la promessa della Green Card.
E le fanterie di colore saranno appoggiate dai piloti bianchi di F16 e B52.
Non vedo dove sia il problema.

Scusa ma i robot di nuova generazione non li conti?