Baatisti Siriani-Baatisti Iraqeni

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Ma secondo voi qual'è la differenza tra i discepoli di Assad e quelli di Saddam, per me non c'è:

Lebanon: mass graves and opium in Bekaa Valley

Another mass grave for the idiot left to deny the existence of or try to explain away—this time in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley, near the Syrian border.
From Reuters:

ANJAR, Lebanon, Dec 4 (Reuters) - Lebanese forces excavated a suspected third mass grave on Sunday, a day after unearthing 25 decomposed corpses in an eastern town that was the headquarters of Syrian intelligence for three decades.

Security forces were digging for more bodies at the third site near two other mass graves close to an old onion farm in the eastern town of Anjar, long used by Syrian intelligence as a notorious interrogation centre.

Security sources said the 25 bodies found so far -- most now only skeletons in scraps of underwear -- had lain in the shallow graves for over 12 years but it was not clear who they were and how they died, though one wore military trousers.

The finds were the first directly linked to Syria's 29-year military presence, which ended in April, though the bodies of 13 Lebanese soldiers killed during Lebanon's 1975-1990 civil war were exhumed from Defence Ministry grounds at Yarze last month.

They are believed to have been killed when Syria routed the forces of former General Michel Aoun at the close of the war.

Lebanese Internal Security Forces said in a statement residents of the eastern area on Anjar, which is near the border with Syria, had led them to the unmarked graves.

"A forensic doctor was appointed to uncover the remains, which were placed in plastic bags and sent to laboratories for DNA tests to identify them," the statement said.

There has been no Syrian reaction to the discovery of the graves.

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The mayor of the nearby town of Majdal Anjar, who helped lead security forces to the graves, said he believed up to 40 bodies were buried in the area, near a hilltop Muslim shrine.

"These bodies have been buried near the shrine of Nabi Uzeir since 1993. I have known since 1999 but kept silent," Shaaban al-Ajami told Reuters. Residents said they could not speak out while Syrian intelligence kept a tight grip on Lebanon.

The Lebanese Army took over the onion farm after Syrian troops and intelligence agents withdrew from Lebanon amid an international outcry and Lebanese protest over the killing of Lebanese former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri.

Syria first poured troops into Lebanon in 1976, establishing a intelligence network feared by many Lebanese, and dominated Lebanon's politics after the end of the civil war.

Many Lebanese resented Syria's grip and accuse its forces and intelligence agents of serious abuses during the war. They blame Damascus for Hariri's assassination in a Feb. 14 truck bomb in Beirut, though Syria denies any role.

Some families of Lebanese who went missing during the war, say their loved ones languish in Syrian jails to this day, though Damascus denies holding any Lebanese political detainees.

Ghazi Aad, head of Support of Lebanese in Detention or Exile, or SOLIDE, visited the graves and demanded the government probe the killing or disappearance of Lebanese during the war.

"Why doesn't Lebanon ask the United Nations to identify those criminally responsible for these mass graves? We demand an an investigation into all the disappearances and mass graves conducted in Lebanon," Aad told reporters.

"All those whom the Syrians detained used to pass through Anjar and be tortured ... and those who died under torture were buried near the onion factory prison."

It also appears that it isn't just onions being grown in the Bekaa Valley. This account from Middle East Newsline does also appear on the website of the anti-Syria Lebanese Lobby, and cites the reactionary Freedom House. But that doesn't necessarily mean the claims aren't true.

SYRIA STILL CONTROLS DRUG TRADE IN LEBANON

WASHINGTON [MENL]
November 15, 2005

Despite its military withdrawal, Syria continues to control the opium trade in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley. A leading U.S. expert with links to the American intelligence community said the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad has maintained control over most revenues from neighboring Lebanon.

Gary Gambill, an analyst with Freedom House, said the Assad regime continued to benefit from the illegal heroin production and trade in the Bekaa Valley near the Syrian border. "The Assad regime is not yet in trouble," Gambill wrote in an analysis for Middle East Forum. "Syrian troops may no longer be in Lebanon, but none of its most important Lebanese revenue streams have been cut.

Drug producers in the Bekaa Valley and corrupt bankers in Beirut will continue paying off the Syrians as long as Damascus can guarantee that the authorities in Beirut leave them alone." Gambill said Syrian farmers continued to smuggle produce into Lebanon with help from the Assad regime.

He said most Syrian workers -- estimated at nearly 1 million -- remained in Lebanon.

http://www.ww4report.com

Se hanno scoperto questa qui in libano, chissà quante ce ne sono nel loro paese

[beppe2]

Non so quali differenze ci siano sotto il profilo "ideologico". Sta di fatto che tra i due governi non è mai corso buon sangue...(non vorrei sbagliarmi ma mi pare che la Siria abbia addirittura partecipato alla coalizione capeggiata dagli USA che ha fatto la guerra del golfo del '92 contro Saddam)

[itloox]

Ma secondo voi qual'è la differenza tra i discepoli di Assad e quelli di Saddam, per me non c'è:

Lebanon: mass graves and opium in Bekaa Valley

Another mass grave for the idiot left to deny the existence of or try to explain away—this time in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley, near the Syrian border.
From Reuters:

ANJAR, Lebanon, Dec 4 (Reuters) - Lebanese forces excavated a suspected third mass grave on Sunday, a day after unearthing 25 decomposed corpses in an eastern town that was the headquarters of Syrian intelligence for three decades.

Security forces were digging for more bodies at the third site near two other mass graves close to an old onion farm in the eastern town of Anjar, long used by Syrian intelligence as a notorious interrogation centre.

Security sources said the 25 bodies found so far -- most now only skeletons in scraps of underwear -- had lain in the shallow graves for over 12 years but it was not clear who they were and how they died, though one wore military trousers.

The finds were the first directly linked to Syria's 29-year military presence, which ended in April, though the bodies of 13 Lebanese soldiers killed during Lebanon's 1975-1990 civil war were exhumed from Defence Ministry grounds at Yarze last month.

They are believed to have been killed when Syria routed the forces of former General Michel Aoun at the close of the war.

Lebanese Internal Security Forces said in a statement residents of the eastern area on Anjar, which is near the border with Syria, had led them to the unmarked graves.

"A forensic doctor was appointed to uncover the remains, which were placed in plastic bags and sent to laboratories for DNA tests to identify them," the statement said.

There has been no Syrian reaction to the discovery of the graves.

MORE BODIES

The mayor of the nearby town of Majdal Anjar, who helped lead security forces to the graves, said he believed up to 40 bodies were buried in the area, near a hilltop Muslim shrine.

"These bodies have been buried near the shrine of Nabi Uzeir since 1993. I have known since 1999 but kept silent," Shaaban al-Ajami told Reuters. Residents said they could not speak out while Syrian intelligence kept a tight grip on Lebanon.

The Lebanese Army took over the onion farm after Syrian troops and intelligence agents withdrew from Lebanon amid an international outcry and Lebanese protest over the killing of Lebanese former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri.

Syria first poured troops into Lebanon in 1976, establishing a intelligence network feared by many Lebanese, and dominated Lebanon's politics after the end of the civil war.

Many Lebanese resented Syria's grip and accuse its forces and intelligence agents of serious abuses during the war. They blame Damascus for Hariri's assassination in a Feb. 14 truck bomb in Beirut, though Syria denies any role.

Some families of Lebanese who went missing during the war, say their loved ones languish in Syrian jails to this day, though Damascus denies holding any Lebanese political detainees.

Ghazi Aad, head of Support of Lebanese in Detention or Exile, or SOLIDE, visited the graves and demanded the government probe the killing or disappearance of Lebanese during the war.

"Why doesn't Lebanon ask the United Nations to identify those criminally responsible for these mass graves? We demand an an investigation into all the disappearances and mass graves conducted in Lebanon," Aad told reporters.

"All those whom the Syrians detained used to pass through Anjar and be tortured ... and those who died under torture were buried near the onion factory prison."

It also appears that it isn't just onions being grown in the Bekaa Valley. This account from Middle East Newsline does also appear on the website of the anti-Syria Lebanese Lobby, and cites the reactionary Freedom House. But that doesn't necessarily mean the claims aren't true.

SYRIA STILL CONTROLS DRUG TRADE IN LEBANON

WASHINGTON [MENL]
November 15, 2005

Despite its military withdrawal, Syria continues to control the opium trade in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley. A leading U.S. expert with links to the American intelligence community said the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad has maintained control over most revenues from neighboring Lebanon.

Gary Gambill, an analyst with Freedom House, said the Assad regime continued to benefit from the illegal heroin production and trade in the Bekaa Valley near the Syrian border. "The Assad regime is not yet in trouble," Gambill wrote in an analysis for Middle East Forum. "Syrian troops may no longer be in Lebanon, but none of its most important Lebanese revenue streams have been cut.

Drug producers in the Bekaa Valley and corrupt bankers in Beirut will continue paying off the Syrians as long as Damascus can guarantee that the authorities in Beirut leave them alone." Gambill said Syrian farmers continued to smuggle produce into Lebanon with help from the Assad regime.

He said most Syrian workers -- estimated at nearly 1 million -- remained in Lebanon.

http://www.ww4report.com

Se hanno scoperto questa qui in libano, chissà quante ce ne sono nel loro paese

io invece mi chiedo quale sia la differenza tra i discepoli di bush e quelli di hitler

[tigermen]

Non so quali differenze ci siano sotto il profilo "ideologico". Sta di fatto che tra i due governi non è mai corso buon sangue...(non vorrei sbagliarmi ma mi pare che la Siria abbia addirittura partecipato alla coalizione capeggiata dagli USA che ha fatto la guerra del golfo del '92 contro Saddam)

Bè è una storia lunga quella, Saddam gli aveva fatto il dispetto di finanziare i Cristiani del generale Aoun nel 1989 che combattevano contro i Siriani, i "fratelli" arabi si sono fatti molti dispetti, infatti per ripicca la siria aveva partecipato alla I guerra del golfo dalla parte della coalizione internazionale.

[tigermen]

Sentite che aveva appena detto Tueni riguardo alla fossa comune di cui sopra:

Gebran Tueni: The Mass Graves are a Crime against Humanity
The Syrian Foreign Minister Farouk Sharaa should understand that Syrian hegemony in Lebanon is over, and that the Lebanese people know more than the Syrian regime what is best for them. The latter is trying to reestablish its control over Lebanon whereas the Lebanese people aim at defending their independence, sovereignty and unity after the independence uprising and withdrawal of the Syrian troops from Lebanon.
He should also understand that what happened in Lebanon is a miracle and a big achievement, not a negative thing as he said in his last declaration in Cairo.
What does he mean by internationalization when he speaks of the "internationalization of the Lebanese issue"?
Isn't the Madrid conference an internalization of the Middle East issue?
Aren't the Security Council resolutions about the Arab-Israeli conflict a part of the internalization?
And what about the summits held between the Syrian President Hafez Assad and American officials to try to find a solution to the Golan issue?
And the UN resolutions which we repeatedly call for their implementation, aren't they a part of the internalization?
How does Mr. Sharaa explain his participation as Syria's representative in the Security Council meetings?
Does he recognize the authority of the United Nations? Or on the contrary, does he consider that the Arab league which was unable to solve any pending Arab-Arab or Arab-international issue, is the only competent authority in this regard?
How can he then explain the Syrian recognition and implementation of resolutions 1559, 1595 and 1663?
Isn't the Syrian regime accepting internationalization when it approves of the interrogation of Syrian officers in Europe instead of Lebanon?
Dear minister, Lebanon appreciates all the help it is getting from the international community in order to ensure the implementation of the Security Council resolutions. In this regard, Lebanon also calls the international community for the implementation of all UN resolutions on the Arab-Israeli conflict.
That is unless Mr. Al-Sharaa is upset about the change in the international policy which now backs Lebanon's independence and sovereignty while he was satisfied when the international community gave Syria an authorization to govern Lebanon. At that time, the Syrian minister was happy with the international action because it allowed him to speak and take decisions on behalf of Lebanon!
As for the Shabaa Farms issue, the Syrian Foreign minister should explain to us why he refrains from submitting a Syrian official paper that recognizes the Lebanese sovereignty over the Farms instead of all his rubbish talks.
Why does he insist on establishing a link between the Farms issue and the Golan's liberation? Golan Heights are Syrian whereas Shabaa Farms are a Lebanese land.
Why does the Syrian regime, through its Foreign Minister and Prime Minister, refuse to submit the official paper before the Israeli withdrawal from the Farms?
Doesn't Minister Al-Sharaa consider that this policy serves the interests of Israel which is doing all it can to perpetuate its occupation of the Arab lands seized in the 1967 war?
Dear minister, Lebanon disagrees with you as it considers that the submitting of the paper helps liberating the Farms. However, it seems that your regime wants to keep this issue as well as the demarcation of the Lebanese-Syrian borders pending, maybe because it does not want to admit that Lebanon has internationally recognized borders and that it was not and will never be a part of Syria!
Accordingly, Lebanon insists that Syria should hand over an official paper that recognizes the Lebanese sovereignty over the Farms. The Lebanese government in its turn would submit it to the United Nations so that the international community and the United States would exert pressures on Israel in order to withdraw from the occupied Shabaa Farms. The area would be under the United Nations' control for a transitional period until the demarcation of the Lebanese-Syrian borders. Then the Farms would be handed over to the Lebanese authorities and the other frontier lands that belong to Syria would be subject to resolutions 242 and 338.
Therefore, the submitting of the paper is the first necessary step towards the liberation of the Shabaa Farms whereas the prevarication serves the interests of the Israeli occupation.
However, it seems that the Syrians do not seek the withdrawal of Israel from the Shabaa Farms because they want to use this card in the tug-of-war and policy of blackmailing.
All the Syrian talks about their will to help Lebanon and open a new page in their relations with our country are nonsense whether at the level of the issue of Shabaa Farms or the investigation in Rafik Hariri's assassination.
What positiveness is Mr. Al-Sharaa talking about when the Syrian Information Ministry uses Husam Husam as a weapon – a dull one – against the international investigation and Lebanon?
Where is the cooperation between Syria and the international investigation committee? Is it possible that the Syrian investigation committee has not listen until now to Husam Husam's testimony?
Syria would be satisfied with the international investigation committee in only one case: when the commissioner Detlev Mehlis would conclude that Premier Hariri, Bassel Fleihan and their friends as well as Samir Kassir and Georges Hawi "committed suicide" exactly like Ghazi Kanaan, and that Marwan Hamade and May Chidiac tried to put an end to their lives but did not succeed.
Anyway, the Syrian regime reactions show, since the formation of the international investigation committee, that Syria is afraid of the truth because it would expose its bad practices in Lebanon and point the finger of accusation at it.
In fact, these practices were best exposed with the discovery of mass graves in Anjar, the former headquarters of the "Syrian governor of the Lebanese province".
What a peace force that kidnaps, imprisons, tortures, kills and throw innocent victims in mass graves!
Then they accuse the Lebanese people of ingratitude!
All the explanations Syria is giving to justify the mass graves are false, especially when it tries to revive the memories of the "Lebanese civil wars" to cover its crimes against innocent Lebanese.
The Lebanese war and the atrocities committed by the militias and parties ended in 1990 with the Taif Accord, whereas the mass graves in Anjar are a separate issue that is in direct relation with the actions of the army and intelligence of a regime that used to pretend that it was not a party but a protector of peace while it was in reality a cruel murderer governor!
The Syrian regime is the sole responsible of Anjar's mass graves. It is a crime against humanity that urges an immediate international action, a thorough investigation and an international trial, independently from the Hariri's assassination and the results of the investigation.
The Syrian security apparatus and the Minister of "contradictions" Farouk Sharaa should realize, on the basis of the modern international policy, that the totalitarian and despotic regimes that committed crimes against humanity were prosecuted and overthrown!
Killing people and burying them in mass graves are illegitimate acts even in the most terrible wars… and the perpetrators of such crimes would meet the same fate as dictators like Adolf Hitler, Ceausescu, Milosevic, Saddam Hussein or the tribal leaders in Rwanda.
Excuse-us, Minister Sharaa, between loyalty to Syria and loyalty to Lebanon, we chose the second one because this would serve the Lebanese and Syrian interests at the same time.
At the Arab level, we will always back the just Arab causes in particular the Palestinian cause and the liberation of the Golan Heights. And we consider that those in Lebanon who chose to be loyal to Syria at the expense of their country, do not serve the Lebanese or Syrian interests but those of Israel, our common enemy.
Does Minister Sharaa search for such people to build alliances with them?



Beirut, Updated 08 Dec 05