Qualcuno dice che non è vita.

[Silvioleo]

Ah, ma allora si spiega tutto! Tu non stai parlando di persone normali, ma di circoli politici a dir poco molto particolari che sull'emissione delle leggi non hanno nessuna influenza...

premesso che la speranza è quella di estendere sempre + l'influenza di un certo modo di pensare,sei tu che hai scritto NESSUNO...

[Bigas]

E' un forum, Silvioleo, non una chat.
(a proposito, il filmaot è per caso "The silent scream"? La codifica è in wmv, sotto Linux non lo si legge granchè...)

si, ha scoperto che esiste quel filmato e bravo bravo lo usa. To' silvioleo, istruisciti

The Facts Speak Louder than "The Silent Scream"
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2...ent-scream.xml

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Medical Inaccuracies in The Silent Scream

Claim:
The 12-week fetus experiences pain.

Facts:
At this stage of the pregnancy, the brain and nervous system are still in a very early stage of development. The beginnings of the brain stem, which includes a rudimentary thalamus and spinal cord, is being formed. Most brain cells are not developed. Without a cerebral cortex (gray matter covering the brain), pain impulses cannot be received or perceived. Additionally, experts find that newborns at 26–27 weeks' gestation (24–25 weeks' fetal age) who survive have significantly less response to pain than do full term newborns.

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists

Statement on Pain of the Fetus
We know of no legitimate scientific information that supports the statement that a fetus experiences pain early in pregnancy.

We do know that the cerebellum attains its final configuration in the seventh month and that mylenization (or covering) of the spinal cord and the brain begins between the 20th and 40th weeks of pregnancy. These, as well as other neurological developments, would have to be in place for the fetus to receive pain.

To feel pain, a fetus needs neurotransmitted hormones. In animals, these complex chemicals develop in the last third of gestation. We know of no evidence that humans are different.

Claim:
The 12-week fetus makes purposeful movements (e.g., agitated movement in an attempt to avoid suction cannula).

Facts:
At this stage of pregnancy, all fetal movement is reflexive in nature rather than purposeful, since the latter requires cognition, which is the ability to perceive and know. For cognition to occur, the cortex (gray matter covering the brain) must be present, as well as myelinization (covering sheath) of the spinal cord and attached nerves, which is not the case.

An example of the reflex withdrawal without pain occurs in an anencephalic (absent brain) newborn. Another known example of the reflex movement at this stage of human pregnancy is thumb sucking in utero.

What is termed "frantic activity" by the fetus is a reflex response of the fetus resulting from movement of the uterus and its contents induced by operator manipulation of the suction curette or the ultrasound transducer on the abdomen. This same type of response would likely occur with any external stimulus. A one-cell organism such as an amoeba will reflexively move or display a withdrawal reaction when touched.

In addition, experts in ultrasonography and film technology have concluded that the videotape of the abortion was deliberately slowed down and subsequently speeded up to create an impression of hyperactivity.

Claim:
Ultrasonogram depicts the open mouth of the fetus.

Facts:
The mouth of the fetus cannot be identified in the ultrasound image with certainty. The statement that the screen identifies the open mouth of the fetus is a subjective and misleading interpretation by Dr. Nathanson. His conclusion is not supportable.

Claim:
The fetus emits "The Silent Scream."

Facts:
A scream cannot occur without air in the lungs. Although primitive respiratory movements do occur in the later stages of gestation, crying or screaming cannot occur even then. In fact, a child born prematurely at 26–27 weeks' gestation (24–25 weeks' fetal age) cannot scream but occasionally emits weak cries.

Claim:
A fetus is indistinguishable from any of the rest of us.

Facts:
A fetus of 12 weeks cannot in any way be compared to a fully formed functioning person. At this stage only rudiments of the organ systems are present. The fetus is unable to sustain life outside the woman's womb, it is incapable of conscious thought; it is incapable of essential breathing. It is instead an in utero fetus with the potential of becoming a child.

Claim:
Fetal head at 12 weeks requires the use of "crushing instruments" for extraction.

Facts:
At 12 weeks' gestation (10 weeks' fetal age) and even 1–2 weeks beyond, instrumentation other than a suction cannula is not required when abortion is properly performed. Cannulas for aspiration abortion come in varying sizes, and the larger sizes are adequate for withdrawing the contents of the uterus.

Cristiano

[Silvioleo]

buffo vedere come urlino le non persone,già

[Bigas]

buffo vedere come urlino le non persone,già

Certo che quando non si vuole capire...Stai usando un filmato del 1985 AMPIAMENTE CRITICATO per sostenere le tue tesi. ALMENO INFORMATI prima, non postare tutte le cazzate che ti passano sotto mano. Ma ovviamente tu ne sai molto di piu' di tutti gli esperti qui sotto. Mah...

Cristiano

As soon as it was released, Planned Parenthood recognized that The Silent Scream would be used to propagate harmful myths that could endanger women's health and the constitutional right to choose abortion and jeopardize the lives and careers of abortion providers. To expose these distortions and deceits, Planned Parenthood convened a panel of medical experts to review and critique the video. Panel members were:

Sally Faith Dorfman, MD
Assistant Professor, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Assistant Clinical Professor, Mount Sinai Hart Peterson, MD
Chief of Pediatric Neurology, New York Hospital, Clinical Professor of Neurology in Pediatrics, Cornell University Medical Center
William Rashbaum, MD
Assistant Clinical Professor, Albert Einstein College of Medicine Seymour L. Romney, MD
Professor, Ob/Gyn, Director, Gynecological Cancer Research, and former Chairman, Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Allan Rosenfield, MD
Professor, Ob/Gyn and Public Health, Acting Chairman, Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology Director, Center for Population and Family Health, College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University Herbert G. Vaughan, Jr. MD
Professor of Neuroscience, Neurology and Pediatrics, Director, Rose F. Kennedy Center for Research in Mental Retardation and Human Development, Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Ming-Neng Yeh, MD
Associate Clinical Professor, Dept. of Ob/Gyn Ultrasound Laboratory, Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center.

[Silvioleo]

si vabe,la solita lista di "esperti"...
se vuoi facciamo a gara a chi la posta + lunga.

[Liquid Sky]

si, ha scoperto che esiste quel filmato e bravo bravo lo usa. To' silvioleo, istruisciti

The Facts Speak Louder than "The Silent Scream"
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2...ent-scream.xml

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Medical Inaccuracies in The Silent Scream

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Cristiano

Puoi farmi cortesemente un sunto veloce in italiano?

[Silvioleo]

Puoi farmi cortesemente un sunto veloce in italiano?

le solite distinzioni pelose.

[Skepto]

premesso che la speranza è quella di estendere sempre + l'influenza di un certo modo di pensare,sei tu che hai scritto NESSUNO...

Hai ragione: correggo in "nessuno ad eccezione di una combriccola di pazzi".

[Silvioleo]

Hai ragione: correggo in "nessuno ad eccezione di una combriccola di pazzi".

bravo

[Skepto]

le solite distinzioni pelose.

Tipo che il filmato è velocizzato appositamente per dare l'impressione che il feto si contorca? Già, già... distinzione pelosa, figurati.