"Resistenza legittima" contro le famiglie di turisti

[IlikeUSA]

ilikeusa sei un mistificatore, nessuno ha parlato di "resistenza legittima" non sta scritto da nessuna parte nell'articolo, quindi il titolo di questo 3ad dimostra che sei il solito raccontaballe

se tu ti aspetti che certe cose i musulmani e i loro amici te le vengano a dire in faccia, stai fresco

[IlikeUSA]

beh, sarei favorevole, non fosse altro che otterremmo così il blocco dell'immigrazione. Però il turismo porta ricchezza a quei paesi, e poi fa bene andare fuori dall'europa

che il turismo porti ricchezza a quei paesi è un problema in più, perchè con i soldi i musulmani comprano le armi per combatterci
fuori dall'Europa si può andare, ma non dove ci odiano

[stuart mill]

World News
Times Online April 25, 2006
Egypt counts the cost of Red Sea blasts

By Philippe Naughton, Stephen Farrell in Dahab, and Devika Bhat
Picture gallery

Sam Still, the freediving champion, who was injured in the blasts (Gareth Powell) Egypt's tourist industry was counting the cost today after a series of explosions that rocked the popular Red Sea Resort of Dahab, killing at least 18 people and wounding more than 80 others.

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Two Britons were injured in the blasts and were named as Henry Luce - a relative of Lord Luce, the Lord Chamberlain - and Sam Still, 24, a British free diver who is world champion in the sport of static apnea, in which contestants hold their breath underwater for as long as possible.
It was the third major attack against a Sinai Pensinsula resort in 18 months and bore many of the same hallmarks as the attacks against Taba and Sharm el-Sheikh by a mysterious group thought to be affiliated to al-Qaeda.
The initial death toll was put at 23, but Egypt's Health Minister, Hatem al-Gebali, said that in fact 18 people were killed. Security sources said that there were six foreigners were among them, including a Swiss, a Russian, a Lebanese and a five-year-old German child. He said that 83 people were injured.
Sir Derek Plumbly, the British Ambassador in Egypt, said the two injured Britons had been airlifted to Cairo for treatment to injuries that were serious but not life-threatening.
"We are in regular contact with the local police and officials here on the Egyptian side," he said. "As far as I am aware, in terms of British injuries, there are just the two persons."
Whereas the two earlier Sinai attacks were carried out by suicide bombers, Egyptian security officials said last night's attacks involved nail bombs on timers, left on the ground in Dahab's main street to maximise casualties.
"These were bombs that contained gunpowder and nails and were fitted with timers," one official told Reuters. "It was very crowded and that's what increased the casualties."
This morning, splashes of blood, shards of glass and body parts littered the ground along Dahab's main tourist thoroughfare.
President Hosni Mubarak called the attack a "wicked terrorist act" and emphasised the need to "track down those responsible". President Bush also condemned the blasts, as did President Putin of Russia.
An Egyptian security source said today that ten people had been detained in connection with the bombings, although no further details were given.
The explosions took place in quick succession at 7.15pm local time at the Nelson restaurant, the Aladdin cafeteria and the Ghazala supermarket. The streets of the small beach and diving resort, popular with backpackers, were crowded with tourists at the time.
The bombs wrecked several restaurants along the main tourist street. Windows and furniture were smashed and pools of blood lay on the floor. In the bazaar, one of the blasts destroyed at least eight shops.
Owen Norris, an Australian tourist dining in a restaurant two doors from the first blast, said that the bombs shook the resort. "There was a massive explosion. People were running from the buildings with blood pouring from their faces. It was chaos. All the shops and restaurant windows have been blown out," he said.
Another witness, Ahmad Samir, said: "Foreigners were scared and panicking. They were asking us where to go and how to escape."
Paul McBeath, 42, a Glasgow-born diving instructor who has lived in the resort for five years, said that there had been no warning: "There were just three loud bangs and people rushing around. Everybody is shaken."
But he said that those who live in the town had long expected an attack after the October 2004 attack on Taba, which killed 34 people, and the attack last July on Sharm el-Sheikh, in which 67 people died, including 11 British tourists.
"It was a case of when," Mr McBeath told The Times. "The night before I'd been sitting around with a beer, talking with friends about the bombings in Taba and Sharm. We are in the middle of them. It was inevitable."
Dahab is a very popular resort with divers, known for its palm-fringed bay and clear blue waters. Among its regulars are Mr Still, the Ampleforth-educated diver who is British freediving champion and won the world championships in the extreme sport of static apnea by holding his breath underwater for a total of 8 minutes and 19 seconds.
Friends of Mr Still said that he was conscious and able to talk but had suffered leg and neck injuries, with pieces of shrapnel embedded in his neck.
Mark Harris, of the British Freediving Association said: "Sam had been there for several weeks training for a freediving competition due to take place in Dahab in June. He was on his way to meet a friend when the explosion happened and was taken to Sharm al-Sheikh for treatment. He has now been moved to a hospital in Cairo and I understand that he has been in talks with the British Embassy about whether to come home."
The other British victim was said to be a cousin of Lord Luce, the former Tory minister who as Lord Chamberlain is head of the Queen's Household. A Buckingham Palace spokesman said: "A cousin of Lord Luce has been injured in the Dahab bombings. Lord Luce has been in touch with his family and the emergency services. It is a private matter."
Visiting the scene, Sir Derek refused to speculate on who was responsible, but said that Egyptian authorities believed that the two previous attacks were the work of a local group.
"People came together around the view that you have a group here in Sinai that was responsible for Tabah and Sharm el-Sheikh," Sir Derek said. "I have heard the Minister of the Interior saying this was a different type of bombing. It's really too soon to point the finger and be precise."
The attack is bad news for the Egyptian tourist industry, which brings in $7 billion a year and employs 10 per cent of the workforce. Around 8.5 million foreign tourists visited Egypt last year, despite the earlier attacks.
Mohamed Zoheir Garana, the Egyptian Tourism Minister, said that it was not yet known which group was responsible for the Dahab attack. He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It would be very premature to jump to conclusions over who are the people behind this and who are the people who executed these bombings."
Asked how the blast might affect tourism, he said: "It does concern us, but I am sure that the Egyptian government are more concerned now about the casualties than the impact it will have on the tourism industry.
"I think people are very angry about this and frustrated about what is taking place. Every million tourists creates 200,000 new jobs, and this is something that the Egyptian government needs, and that makes people more furious about it.
"Egypt is receiving millions of tourists every year and the safety and security of all visitors to Egypt is our main concern, as it is the main concern of all other countries worldwide."
The Egyptian Government rounded up thousands of Bedouin tribesmen for interrogation after the earlier bombings, angering many of the Sinai natives whose intimate knowledge of the desert roads and approaches to the Red Sea Coast made them potential suspects over the attacks.
But the Bedouin have protested angrily about indiscriminate round-ups. "The government response has made people angry, of course of course," said Salla, 26, a Bedu hotel owner.
"There needs to be coordination between the security forces and the Bedouin. They detained 11,000 people - do you think that will help? I don’t think so. If you hit people, especially the Bedouin, they don't take it."

[stuart mill]

che il turismo porti ricchezza a quei paesi è un problema in più, perchè con i soldi i musulmani comprano le armi per combatterci
fuori dall'Europa si può andare, ma non dove ci odiano

echi lo decide dove si può andare e dove no? ma finiamola con lo statalismo: le persone devono essere libere di andare dove vogliono, senza rendere conto a nessuno, sopratutto allo stato

[IlikeUSA]

echi lo decide dove si può andare e dove no? ma finiamola con lo statalismo: le persone devono essere libere di andare dove vogliono, senza rendere conto a nessuno, sopratutto allo stato

come no?
dopo però se qualcosa va storto a salvargli il culo deve essere ancora lo Stato, vedi riscatto pagato per la Sgrena!
al solito facciamo tutti i liberisti quando fa comodo e gli statalisti quando fa comodo

[stuart mill]

[quote=IlikeUSA]come no?
dopo però se qualcosa va storto a salvargli il culo deve essere ancora lo Stato, vedi riscatto pagato per la Sgrena!

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la sgrena era in zona di guerra, l'egitto non lo è

al solito facciamo tutti i liberisti quando fa comodo e gli statalisti quando fa comodo----------

non faccio lo statalista: se lo stato interviene a liberare ostaggi, che c'è di statalista? una delle poche mansioni dello stato, è garantire la sicurezza dei cittadini

[IlikeUSA]

anche l'Egitto è zona di guerra: quella tra Cristianità e islam

[stuart mill]

anche l'Egitto è zona di guerra: quella tra Cristianità e islam

si ma non guerra fra eserciti: ergo, nessuno pu impedire a nessuno, di andarci

[Esmor]

echi lo decide dove si può andare e dove no? ma finiamola con lo statalismo: le persone devono essere libere di andare dove vogliono, senza rendere conto a nessuno, sopratutto allo stato

lo stesso Stato che vorresti blocchi l'immigrazione ?

[stuart mill]

lo stesso Stato che vorresti blocchi l'immigrazione ?

si, e allora?
lo stato mica va abolito, va ridotto ad occuparsi di poche questioni fondamentali

1)difesa dai pericoli esterni/guerra/immigrazione
2)giustizia (magistratura)
3)sicurezza interna (polizia)
4)creazione infrastrutture (strade, aereoporti etc)
5)gestione della tassazione
6)legiferazione (nei limiti d un tale sistema)
7)governo (idem)
8)accesso ai servizi fondamentali per i bisognosi (tassazione negativa)
9)amministrazioni locali
10)incentivi a produrre e realizzare opere di pubblico interesse(assunzioni, ricerca etc)
11)tutela dell'ambiente

quindi al primo punto rientrano sia la lotta all'immigrazione irregolare, sia il salvataggio di ostaggi