Secondo voi gli americani...

[RUS]

Pare chiamibo questo processo di distruzione di culture più elevate per sostituirle con la loro civiltà inferiore "esportazione della democrazia".

inferiore è il termine giusto.

[Balian]

inferiore è il termine giusto.

Notoriamente gli usa sono un paese del terzo mondo..

[Christine]

Fantastici 'sti sondaggi..

E dov'e' il prossimo sondaggio della nostra societa' multiculturale?

[antoninus]

Certo,ci sono americani e americani..non hanno storia,quello e' vero
però ce ne sono intelligenti e stupidi,belli e brutti,buoni e cattivi come tra tutti i popoli.

Francamente, sono stufo di sentire che, come americano, non ho "storia".
Ho molto storie. Ecco una:


"DEUS VULT, Part III – Italian Fascism, the Christian Right Wing, Zionism and the New Anti-Islamic Crusade

"This program presents information about the bogus intelligence used by the United States to justify the invasion of Iraq. This broadcast highlights the role of the fascist-influenced Italian intelligence agency SISMI in the generation of the Niger yellow-cake uranium canard that generated the Valerie Plame case. As noted, during the run-up to the Iraq war, Italian foreign minister Gianfranco Fini—the head of Italy’s fascist political party (the Alleanza Nationale) and a coalition partner of prime minister Silvio Berlusconi—met in Switzerland with leaders of European fascist political parties, including Achmed Huber, a director of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Bank Al Taqwa and the Italo-Israeli Claudio Ersoch, the grandson of Tommaso David who, despite (or because) he was a Jew, was the head of Benito Mussolini's covert operations right up until the end of the war in May 1945! The broadcast asks the hypothetical question: Did Fini and his cohorts work to deliberately lure the US into a trap in Iraq, using the SISMI to help plant the bait? In that context, the program also reviews numerous other connections between the milieu of the Alleanza Nationale, Berlusconi and the P-2 Lodge and the Al Qaeda/Al Taqwa/Muslim Brotherhood nexus. The program concludes with a look at an Al Qaeda defector who was believed to be deliberately misleading his American interrogators with information pointing in the direction of Iraq. All of this information is viewed against the background of Mr. Emory’s working hypothesis that the Al Qaeda/Al Taqwa/Muslim brotherhood milieu and the allied Underground Reich was luring the US into a trap that would enmesh the US in a costly, draining war with the world’s Muslim population. Note that this population will have access to WMD technology as a result of the invasion of
Iraq....................

" The article notes that, during the Cold War, the SISMI cooperated closely with the US. In the wake of the Cold War, has that changed? Are the Italian fascists moving away from the “Atlanticist” position they held during the cold war? (By “Atlanticist,” we mean a pro-U.S., pro-NATO stance.) “ ‘It’s hard to say if (the Repubblica information) is the truth, truth with some distortion, or misinformation from the officials who are leading this,’ Farrell said. ‘But it certainly raises some very troubling questions.’ Farrell noted that during the Cold War, the U.S. and Italian spy agencies cooperated closely on undercover work. Bush and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi are close allies, and Berlusconi has strongly supported Bush’s Iraq policy, stationing 3,000 Italian troops south of Baghdad.” (Idem.)

"The discussion highlights some of the fascist connections of the SISMI organization. “SISMI has long been accused of involvement in rightist conspiracies, including work in collaboration with Propaganda Due, or P-2, a Masonic secret society, and the Armed Falange, a neo-fascist terrorist group. SISMI ‘does not have an immaculate history at all,’ said Gianfranco Pasquino, a political science professor at the Bologna, Italy, campus of the School of Advanced and International Studies of Johns Hopkins University. ‘It has been purged and reorganized very often.’ Pasquino called SISMI ‘friendly to the right wing and willing to offer its services for right-wing purposes.’” (Idem.).....

“ Next, the program revisits a point of information discussed in—among other programs—as the preparations for the Iraq war were underway, Al Taqwa director Achmed Huber networked with other American and European fascists and far rightists, including Gianfranco Fini, head of the Italian Alleanza Nationale. Might the meeting have had something to do with Iraq? Had the “Atlanticist” orientation of the P-2 milieu been superseded by an anti-U.S./Third Position orientation in the Italian fascist milieu? Did this meeting have anything to do with the feeding of false intelligence to the US in order to lure the country into a draining, expensive and (ultimately) fatal war with the Muslim population of the “Earth Island”? Note in this regard, that Fini is currently the Italian foreign minister. Is it possible that the man (Fini) who characterized Mussolini as “the greatest statesman of the 20th century” has not changed his stripes? Is it possible that he was conferring with the other European fascist leaders in order to help lure the US into a trap? “Perhaps the most recent remarkable story concerning Huber comes from a brief item in the Swiss tabloid Blick that in an April 26, 2002 article by Alexander Sautter that Huber was involved in a meeting of far-right leaders from Europe. A photo showing Huber with Jean Marie Le Pen accompanies the article. The Blick story (available on the web) is as follows: ‘Mon Pelerin VD: Christian Cambuzat, the promoter (Scharfmacher) of the right extremist Jean-Marie Le Pen (73): The guru assembles together some of the top leaders of the European right. On the idyllic Mont Pelerin, they debate their crude ideas. At his secret visit to a spa in Switzerland, Le Pen hardly remained alone. Rightist leaders from all over Europe traveled to meet the extremist presidential candidate who was hosted by Cambuzat. Franz Schonhuber (79). Founder of the Republican Party in Germany and a former member of the SS. He talked with Le Pen who constitutes together with Schonhuber the ‘Front National’ Faction in the European parliament. Gianfranco Fini (50). Italian post-fascist, Mussolini admirer, and founder of the Alleanze Nationale. He also was at the meeting with Le Pen and Schonhuber. Ahmed Huber (74). The Swiss is on the Bush Administration blacklist . . . ‘I met le Pen at Mont Pelerin as he went to Christian Cambuzat’s spa,’ Huber told Blick yesterday. At the extremist rendezvous an American far right politician was also supposed to have taken part. [Note: the American is not further identified.—KC] Christian Cambuzat said that Le Pen (after the election) had again become the sharpest weapon of the ‘Front National’ because Le Pen changed his image from a venomous old man to a ‘kindly U.S. TV evangelist.’ Proudly Cambuzat brags, ‘With me Le Pen can relax well’ [from his political endeavors—KC]. And openly link up with new contacts. [Although the Blick story does not give details, Cambuzat runs a spa for the very rich, the Lemanique de Revitalisation, inside a hotel on the famous Mont Pelerin.]’”

" In the context of the April, 2002 meeting of European fascist leaders at Mt. Pellerin, it is important to note that (in addition to Fini) other Italian fascists from the AN/P-2 milieu are to be found within the Al Taqwa orbit. Allessandro Ghe is a member of the fascist Ordine Nuovo, headed up by Pino Rauti. Rauti is a veteran of the SS-controlled Salo Republic that was established in Northern Italy after Mussolini’s capitulation in 1943. Rauti is also a part of the successful electoral coalition of Silvio Berlusconi and Gianfranco Fini. “The goal of the meeting with the notary was the founding of ‘al-Taqwa management Organization SA’ that said it would be concerned with importing and exporting various goods. ‘Taqwa management Organization SA’ that said it would be concerned with importing and exporting various goods around the world. 333 of the 1000 shares (at 100 Swiss Francs a share) went to Mohammed Mansour and his wife. 332 went to Huber. Nada and Himmat took the rest. Mansour was named the president but rarely was the clause in the contract papers mentioned that each decision must be co-signed by the minority holders Nada and Himmat . . . Among the 500 shareholders besides Huber, Himmat and Nada were ‘also a notorious right extremist from Italy’ [not further identified but this is Alessandro Karim Abdul Ghe] and three members of the bin Laden family.” (Ibid.; p. 8.)

" The Al Taqwa orbit contains one Gustavo Selva—a parliamentary representative of Fini’s Alleanza Nationale. “Gustavo Selva belongs to Nasreddin’s wider circle. The former journalist and today parliamentary member of the post fascist Partei Alleanza Nationale, Selva was until April 19, 1999, involved in the Roman-based business, the Arab-Italian Consulting House. Six months before it went under, on September 18, 1998, a certain Angelo Pozzi was named the firm’s official receiver. Pozzi was, together with the Nasreddin International Group Limited Holdings, also part of the Lugano-registered Lina Fiduciaria SA.........

" Another evidentiary tributary leading in the direction of the Italian far right concerns areas of overlap between the Al Taqwa milieu and that of Silvio Berlusconi—former member of the fascist P-2 lodge and the head of the Italian coalition government of which Fini’s AN is part. “The deeper investigators dug, the more senseless it seemed. For example: The Liechtenstein-registered Nasreddin International Limited Holdings on October 20, 1994, decided to change its name to Middle East and Turkey Investment Holding Ltd. And then eight days later it returned to its original name. There is also the fact that Nasreddin at the founding of the Nasreddin International Group Limited Holding in January 1997 appointed—next to Dr. Enrico Walser as trustee—of all people the Tessino lawyer Dr. Ercole Doninelli to the administrative board. Doninelli, until his death, was seen as the ‘soul’ of the Lugano finance society Fimo that was widely involved in the financial scandals of the 1990’s. In 1994, in Lugano, Doninelli met with an ostensibly obscure Italian-American lawyer named Anthony Chiofalo in order to arrange the financing of Project Hourglass, another one of Pozzi's projects. However, it turns out that in the underworld of the new Fascist International, Chiofalo is not so obscure and is known to have acted as a point of contact between extremist members of the Israeli Likud and the Lebanese Christian Falangists on one hand and the various incarnations of the Italian Social Movement and Armed Falange on the other. Since that Lugano meeting in 1994, Fimo has helped Italians to send up to 250 million Swiss francs yearly in capital flight. Even more definitive is the role Fimo has played since 1968 in the financing into the millions [of] the first projects of the (at the time utterly unknown) construction builder from Milan, Silvio Berlusconi. The knowledge of how capital from the married pair of Ercole and Stefania Doninelli went from Eti Holdings in Chiasso to more stops in the Interchange Bank and from there to Italcantieri, a company headed by two Berlusconi straw men, finally ended with the mass bankruptcy of Fimo.” (Ibid.; pp. 9-10.)

"Another person bridging the worlds of Berlusconi and Al Taqwa is Pier Felice Barchi, an attorney for both Berlusconi and Yussef Nada. “The Akida Bank of Nasreddin was also supposed to be concerned with the spreading of Islamic banking practices. The Lugano-registered affiliate of the bank listed along with its founder Nasreddin, the Tessino-based Pier Felice Barchi. This attorney had great experience with rich and influential foreign customers, including several Hong Kong companies also represented by Chiofalo during the Eco Swiss-Benetton debacle of 1993. Additionally, Barchi was once a partner of Parmalat "legal mastermind" Gian Paolo Zini, for whom Chiofalo worked in New York immediately prior to the eruption of that scandal in December 2003. Zini and Calisto Tanzi, the founder of Parmalat, are also members of Opus Dei and financial supporters of its paramilitary arm, Milizia Christi (sometimes referred to as the Catholic Al Qaeda). Barchi was also concerned with the Tessino financial interests of Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi and the Saudi minority partner in Berlusconi’s media group Mediaset, Prince al-Waleed al Talal.” (Ibid.; pp. 10-11.)...... Several Milizia Christi members are thought to have fought with the infamous Arkan's Tigers during the Serbian war against Bosnian and Albanian Muslims in the mid-1990s........

[Airbus]

degli americani che ho conosciuto quelli più intellettuali che erano 4 spanne sopra alla media cmq non conoscevano il nome del presidente canadese (come se noi non sapessimo chi è chirac)

Una di quelle più idiote che ho conosciuto (texana) non aveva mai sentito nominare Milano


quando è saltata fuori la storia dei soldati italiani in Iraq mi ha chiesto "ma con chi stanno? con gli americani?"

[Squalo]

prima di aprire la bocca cerca di controllare che sia collegata col cervello.

-N-

Gli americani dove le prendono le risorse per muovere il jeepone che deve fare 30 metri fino al tabacchino per comprare i pacchetti di sigarette?

[Squalo]

le altrui culture???

Effettivamente voi americani esportate un sacco di porcherie dovunque mettete piede.

[Squalo]

Francamente, sono stufo di sentire che, come americano, non ho "storia".

Che storia hai? Che storia hanno gli americani? Gli americani altro non sono che un po' di europei (fra cui i peggiori) che sono andati a colonizzare un'altra terra. Sono un gigante senza memoria.

[Christine]

Francamente, sono stufo di sentire che, come americano, non ho "storia".
Ho molto storie.

Siamo saltato fuori del cappello di un mago quasi 400 anni fa. Poof! Un popolo senza storia!

[antoninus]

degli americani che ho conosciuto quelli più intellettuali che erano 4 spanne sopra alla media cmq non conoscevano il nome del presidente canadese (come se noi non sapessimo chi è chirac)

Una di quelle più idiote che ho conosciuto (texana) non aveva mai sentito nominare Milano


quando è saltata fuori la storia dei soldati italiani in Iraq mi ha chiesto "ma con chi stanno? con gli americani?"

Ci credo, ci credo.

Ma non cambia niente--- We still can kick the world's ass ten times over.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!