Origine dei Albanesi!?!? L'uomo è un animale pericoloso in un territorio pericoloso

[arbereshi]

Gentile arbereshi, sono ancora in attesa di una risposta minimamente documentata.

Sa, ho qualche amico istriano che e' altrettanto convinto di essere un discendente degli Illiri.

Vuole aiutarmi a far capire a costui (e altri come lui), che sono gli albanesi moderni i soli veri, puri e autentici discendenti di questo antico popolo.

Ecco, con un colpo solo potremmo abbattere due mosche dell'ignoranza.


Saluti

Caro Pfjodor, vuoi dei documenti…?
Ma allora cosa fai d’avanti al computer…?
Basta scrivere Albania, e in tutte le lingue lo troverai.
Come a te e anche al tuo amico, io risponderei cosi, l’aquila non si nutre di mosche…, quindi non saprei accontentarti per ucciderli…
Salve.

[pfjodor]

Va beh, grazie della non-risposta.

Ti lascio con le tue convinzioni (assieme a qualche dalmata), riguardo alla discendenza illirica.


Contenti voi.... preoccupati molti.

[arbereshi]

Non vedo perché essere preoccupati…, comunque indipendentemente il fatto e relativo.
Salve.

[Wento (POL)]

Io cliccando "Albania" ho trovato subito questo rapporto:

Disputes - international:

the Albanian Government calls for the protection of the rights of ethnic Albanians in neighboring countries, and the peaceful resolution of interethnic disputes; some ethnic Albanian groups in neighboring countries advocate for a "greater Albania," but the idea has little appeal among Albanian nationals; the mass emigration of unemployed Albanians remains a problem for developed countries, chiefly Greece and Italy

Illicit drugs:

increasingly active transshipment point for Southwest Asian opiates, hashish, and cannabis transiting the Balkan route and - to a lesser extent - cocaine from South America destined for Western Europe; limited opium and growing cannabis production; ethnic Albanian narcotrafficking organizations active and expanding in Europe; vulnerable to money laundering associated with regional trafficking in narcotics, arms, contraband, and illegal aliens
This page was last updated on 13 December, 2007

[Wento (POL)]

scusate, dimenticavo: il rapporto e' della CIA

[Wento (POL)]

Qui' c'e' un accenno alla mitica illiria ed un breve sunto della recente travagliata storia albanese:
Government

Emerging democracy.
History

A part of Illyria in ancient times and later of the Roman Empire, Albania was ruled by the Byzantine Empire from 535 to 1204. An alliance (1444–1466) of Albanian chiefs failed to halt the advance of the Ottoman Turks, and the country remained under at least nominal Turkish rule for more than four centuries, until it proclaimed its independence on Nov. 28, 1912.
Largely agricultural, Albania is one of the poorest countries in Europe. A battlefield in World War I, after the war it became a republic in which a conservative Muslim landlord, Ahmed Zogu, proclaimed himself president in 1925 and king (Zog I) in 1928. He ruled until Italy annexed Albania in 1939. Communist guerrillas under Enver Hoxha seized power in 1944, near the end of World War II. Hoxha was a devotee of Stalin, emulating the Soviet leader's repressive tactics, imprisoning or executing landowners and others who did not conform to the socialist ideal. Hoxha eventually broke with Soviet communism in 1961 because of differences with Khrushchev and then aligned himself with Chinese communism, which he also abandoned in 1978 after the death of Mao. From then on Albania went its own way to forge its individual version of the socialist state and became one of the most isolated—and economically underdeveloped—countries in the world. Hoxha was succeeded by Ramiz Alia in 1982.
Elections in March 1991 gave the Communists a decisive majority. But a general strike and street demonstrations soon forced the all-Communist cabinet to resign. In June 1991 the Communist Party of Labor renamed itself the Socialist Party and renounced its past ideology. The opposition Democratic Party won a landslide victory in the 1992 elections, and Sali Berisha, a former cardiologist, became Albania's first elected president. The following year, ex-Communists, including Ramiz Alia and former prime minister Fatos Nano, were imprisoned on corruption charges.
But Albania's experiment with democratic reform and a free-market economy went disastrously awry in March 1997, when large numbers of its citizens invested in shady get-rich-quick pyramid schemes. When five of these schemes collapsed in the beginning of the year, robbing Albanians of an estimated $1.2 billion in savings, Albanians' rage turned against the government, which appeared to have sanctioned the nationwide swindle. Rioting broke out, the country's fragile infrastructure collapsed, and gangsters and rebels overran the country, plunging it into virtual anarchy. A multinational protection force eventually restored order and set up the elections that formally ousted President Sali Berisha.
In spring 1999, Albania was heavily involved in the affairs of its fellow ethnic Albanians to the north, in Kosovo. Albania served as an outpost for NATO troops and took in approximately 440,000 Kosovar refugees, about half the total number of ethnic Albanians who were driven from their homes in Kosovo.
Ilir Meta, elected prime minister in 1999, rapidly moved forward in his first years to modernize the economy, privatize business, fight crime, and reform the judiciary and tax systems. He resigned in Jan. 2002, frustrated by political infighting. In June 2002, former general Alfred Moisiu was elected president, endorsed by both the Socialists (headed by Fatos Nano) and the Democrats (led by Sali Berisha) in an effort to end the unproductive political fractiousness that has stalemated the government. The political duel between Nano and Berisha continued, however, and little improvement was evident in the standard of living for Albanians. In 2005 elections, Berisha replaced Nano as prime minister.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107268.html

[Wento (POL)]

Wikipedia spagnola non condivide l'origine illirica degli albanesi:
Artículo principal: Historia de Albania
El pueblo más antiguo conocido que habitó el actual territorio de Albania fue el de los ilirios de los cuales los shqipëtars o albaneses son descendientes según algunos. Dicha teoría no es compartida por gran parte de la comunidad científica internacional dada la gran transculturación que sufrieron las poblaciones de esta región por los otomanos. Además, no existen vínculos actuales culturales que relacionen la población actual con este pueblo antiguo o que indiquen continuidad alguna.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania

[pfjodor]

Grazie Wento per i contributi alla discussione.


Ciao