Documento dell'Istituto di studi strategici Russo sul Kosovo

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Ti sbagli, il sionismo israeliano sostiene attivamente a tutto spiano la Nazione Kurda, i maroniti e altri popoli avversari all'espansione turanico-islamista.
Anche i rapporti stabili che si erano creati sono deteriorati dopo che Erdogan ha condannato i raid israeliani nei territori occupati e l'ascesa di Gül, il cui mentore Erbakan è un virulento antisemita islamista, come d'altronde lo era Izetbegovic.

carlomartello

La Nazione Kurda?
Forse ti sfugge il ruolo del Mossad nella cattura di Ochalan.....
Non mi risulta si siano interrotti i rapporti di collaborazione tra MOSSAD e militari turchi....

[codino]

Beh Putin potrebbe sganciare un po' di soldi per mettere su un'agenzia italiana che traduca questi studi russi, li pubblichi, li pubblicizzi sui media etc etc...

fatevi sotto, contattateli!!!

[carlomartello (POL)]

La Nazione Kurda?
Forse ti sfugge il ruolo del Mossad nella cattura di Ochalan.....
Non mi risulta si siano interrotti i rapporti di collaborazione tra MOSSAD e militari turchi....

Israel and Kurdistan: What's the Connection?



Friday June 25, 2004
It seems as though Israel is losing confidence in America’s ability to establish a democratic and free state in Iraq. According to recent reports, Israel is cultivating a military relationship with the Kurds in the region - a relationship which would allow them to use the Kurds to strike at Iran and others in the region if needed.

Seymour M. Hersh writes for the New Yorker:

In a series of interviews in Europe, the Middle East, and the United States, officials told me that by the end of last year Israel had concluded that the Bush Administration would not be able to bring stability or democracy to Iraq, and that Israel needed other options. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s government decided, I was told, to minimize the damage that the war was causing to Israel’s strategic position by expanding its long-standing relationship with Iraq’s Kurds and establishing a significant presence on the ground in the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan. Several officials depicted Sharon’s decision, which involves a heavy financial commitment, as a potentially reckless move that could create even more chaos and violence as the insurgency in Iraq continues to grow.

There are a couple of reasons why this is seen as dangerous. First, Turkey doesn’t like the idea of the Kurds becoming even more armed and dangerous:

Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel’s view, running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran, whose position in the region has been strengthened by the war. The Israeli operative include members of the Mossad, Israel’s clandestine foreign-intelligence service, who work undercover in Kurdistan as businessmen and, in some cases, do not carry Israeli passports. ... The former Israeli intelligence officer acknowledged that since late last year Israel has been training Kurdish commando units to operate in the same manner and with the same effectiveness as Israel’s most secretive commando units, the Mistaravim. The initial goal of the Israeli assistance to the Kurds, the former officer said, was to allow them to do what American commando units had been unable to do—penetrate, gather intelligence on, and then kill off the leadership of the Shiite and Sunni insurgencies in Iraq.

Trained commando units who can strike at Iran could also strike at Turkey; whomever they strike at would be viewed as terrorists. So, is Israel providing training and support to potential terrorist groups? Turkey has a good reason for thinking so. Israel has a better relationship with Turkey than they do most other Muslim nations and are, then, taking a big risk at making them mad. Israel is pushing away an ally which is, in turn, moving closer to recent rivals: Syria and Iran. That can’t be good for stability in the region.

In addition to regional problems, there is also the question of what might happen in Iraq itself:

The Iraqi Kurdish leadership was furious when, early this month, the United States acceded to a U.N. resolution on the restoration of Iraqi sovereignty that did not affirm the interim constitution that granted the minority Kurds veto power in any permanent constitution. Kurdish leaders immediately warned President Bush in a letter that they would not participate in a new Shiite-controlled government unless they were assured that their rights under the interim constitution were preserved. “The people of Kurdistan will no longer accept second-class citizenship in Iraq,” the letter said.

There are fears that the Kurds will move to seize the city of Kirkuk, together with the substantial oil reserves in the surrounding region. Kirkuk is dominated by Arab Iraqis, many of whom were relocated there, beginning in the nineteen-seventies, as part of Saddam Hussein’s campaign to “Arabize” the region, but the Kurds consider Kirkuk and its oil part of their historic homeland. “If Kirkuk is threatened by the Kurds, the Sunni insurgents will move in there, along with the Turkomen, and there will be a bloodbath,” an American military expert who is studying Iraq told me. “And, even if the Kurds do take Kirkuk, they can’t transport the oil out of the country, since all of the pipelines run through the Sunni-Arab heartland.”

We face a prospect of an independent Kurdistan that doesn’t like America because of the way America has treated them, but none of the countries that dislike Kurdistan will be favorably inclined towards America because we are willing to accept its existence. It’s a lose-lose situation for us and a bloody mess for everyone who lives in the region. Just about the Kurds’ only friend will be Israel who is already hated so they don’t have as much to lose and much to gain. A Kurdish independence movement could tear apart Iran and Syria, two of Israel’s biggest threats in the region. Turkey would be sacrificed in the process, but that might be a sacrifice that some consider worth making. There might also be hopes of getting Turkey to work out a deal with the Kurds, thus softening the blow.

http://atheism.about.com/b/2004/06/2...connection.htm

Vedi anche: http://israelkurdistannetwork.blogspot.com/


Impresentabile se non sai nemmeno queste cose che sono notissime stai un attimino zitto, invece di inventarti fantasiosi complotti del Mossad, quando queste sono cose arcinote, tanto è vero che per questo motivo i nazionalisti turchi e il lupi grigi sono fortemente anti-israeliani.

Anti-sionismo spasimato fra i nazionalisti turchi e turcofili, come dimostrano i video su YouTube:




carlomartello

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Israel and Kurdistan: What's the Connection?



Friday June 25, 2004
It seems as though Israel is losing confidence in America’s ability to establish a democratic and free state in Iraq. According to recent reports, Israel is cultivating a military relationship with the Kurds in the region - a relationship which would allow them to use the Kurds to strike at Iran and others in the region if needed.


Seymour M. Hersh writes for the New Yorker:

In a series of interviews in Europe, the Middle East, and the United States, officials told me that by the end of last year Israel had concluded that the Bush Administration would not be able to bring stability or democracy to Iraq, and that Israel needed other options. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s government decided, I was told, to minimize the damage that the war was causing to Israel’s strategic position by expanding its long-standing relationship with Iraq’s Kurds and establishing a significant presence on the ground in the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan. Several officials depicted Sharon’s decision, which involves a heavy financial commitment, as a potentially reckless move that could create even more chaos and violence as the insurgency in Iraq continues to grow.

There are a couple of reasons why this is seen as dangerous. First, Turkey doesn’t like the idea of the Kurds becoming even more armed and dangerous:

Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel’s view, running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran, whose position in the region has been strengthened by the war. The Israeli operative include members of the Mossad, Israel’s clandestine foreign-intelligence service, who work undercover in Kurdistan as businessmen and, in some cases, do not carry Israeli passports. ... The former Israeli intelligence officer acknowledged that since late last year Israel has been training Kurdish commando units to operate in the same manner and with the same effectiveness as Israel’s most secretive commando units, the Mistaravim. The initial goal of the Israeli assistance to the Kurds, the former officer said, was to allow them to do what American commando units had been unable to do—penetrate, gather intelligence on, and then kill off the leadership of the Shiite and Sunni insurgencies in Iraq.

Trained commando units who can strike at Iran could also strike at Turkey; whomever they strike at would be viewed as terrorists. So, is Israel providing training and support to potential terrorist groups? Turkey has a good reason for thinking so. Israel has a better relationship with Turkey than they do most other Muslim nations and are, then, taking a big risk at making them mad. Israel is pushing away an ally which is, in turn, moving closer to recent rivals: Syria and Iran. That can’t be good for stability in the region.


In addition to regional problems, there is also the question of what might happen in Iraq itself:

The Iraqi Kurdish leadership was furious when, early this month, the United States acceded to a U.N. resolution on the restoration of Iraqi sovereignty that did not affirm the interim constitution that granted the minority Kurds veto power in any permanent constitution. Kurdish leaders immediately warned President Bush in a letter that they would not participate in a new Shiite-controlled government unless they were assured that their rights under the interim constitution were preserved. “The people of Kurdistan will no longer accept second-class citizenship in Iraq,” the letter said.

There are fears that the Kurds will move to seize the city of Kirkuk, together with the substantial oil reserves in the surrounding region. Kirkuk is dominated by Arab Iraqis, many of whom were relocated there, beginning in the nineteen-seventies, as part of Saddam Hussein’s campaign to “Arabize” the region, but the Kurds consider Kirkuk and its oil part of their historic homeland. “If Kirkuk is threatened by the Kurds, the Sunni insurgents will move in there, along with the Turkomen, and there will be a bloodbath,” an American military expert who is studying Iraq told me. “And, even if the Kurds do take Kirkuk, they can’t transport the oil out of the country, since all of the pipelines run through the Sunni-Arab heartland.”

We face a prospect of an independent Kurdistan that doesn’t like America because of the way America has treated them, but none of the countries that dislike Kurdistan will be favorably inclined towards America because we are willing to accept its existence. It’s a lose-lose situation for us and a bloody mess for everyone who lives in the region. Just about the Kurds’ only friend will be Israel who is already hated so they don’t have as much to lose and much to gain. A Kurdish independence movement could tear apart Iran and Syria, two of Israel’s biggest threats in the region. Turkey would be sacrificed in the process, but that might be a sacrifice that some consider worth making. There might also be hopes of getting Turkey to work out a deal with the Kurds, thus softening the blow.

http://atheism.about.com/b/2004/06/2...connection.htm

Vedi anche: http://israelkurdistannetwork.blogspot.com/


Impresentabile se non sai nemmeno queste cose che sono notissime stai un attimino zitto, invece di inventarti fantasiosi complotti del Mossad, quando queste sono cose arcinote, tanto è vero che per questo motivo i nazionalisti turchi e il lupi grigi sono fortemente anti-israeliani.

Anti-sionismo spasimato fra i nazionalisti turchi e turcofili, come dimostrano i video su YouTube:




carlomartello

Ma guarda la realtà Kurda non è affatto monolitica, come la vuoi dipingere.
E' altrettanto vero che molte correnti nazionaliste e islamiche turche sono fortemente antisioniste, ma a livello di potere permangono ottimi rapporti tra sionisti e Turchia.
Inoltre se neghi che il MOSSAD abbia contribuito alla cattura di Ochalan, mistifichi la realtà....


Top secret: il caso Ocalan. Un intrigo italiano fra Cia, Mossad e Kgb


di Ansaldo Marco


In questo libro si spiega il ruolo del MOSSAD nella cattura di Ochalan....

Ochalan filosionista?
ma per favore..........

[carlomartello (POL)]

Impresentabile ti rendi conto che le tue posizioni filo-kurde e turcofobe anti-ottomane sono antitetiche a quelle dei tuoi soci di Eurasia?

carlomartello

[Sabotaggio]

Beh Putin potrebbe sganciare un po' di soldi per mettere su un'agenzia italiana che traduca questi studi russi, li pubblichi, li pubblicizzi sui media etc etc...

fatevi sotto, contattateli!!!

pur senza soldi:
http://www.eurasia-rivista.org/cogit...rxZNvlRb.shtml

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Impresentabile ti rendi conto che le tue posizioni filo-kurde e turcofobe anti-ottomane sono antitetiche a quelle dei tuoi soci di Eurasia?

carlomartello

1) Io - per quel poco e nulla che conta il mio appoggio - appoggio Eurasia essenzialmente nei principi fondamentali di lotta di liberazione europea (e non solo...) anti-sionista ed antiamericana.
Ma, per intenderci, il mio Maestro rimane Dostoesvkij, non è Leontev.

2) Filokurde nel senso delle correnti rivoluzionarie anti-turche e antisioniste....ci sto...

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Il Gran Kahal Giudaico (come sosteneva il grande Dostoevskij) era un alleato oggettivo dei Turchi in funzione anti-russa ed anti-zarista.
Sotto sotto, anche te te la fai con i Turchi, militando attivamente sotto l'infausta bandiera bianco-azzurra sionista....

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http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=N_KnHjdFqc8

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http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpl3ne1mHRE