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[Dragonball (POL)]

Beggars spark new debate
Rising opposition across party lines to an influx of beggars in Norwegian cities is prompting calls to reimpose a ban on begging. Some Labour Party officials, however, are defying the opposition and even countering their own party's ageing patriarch.



There's been an influx of foreign beggars in Norway recently.
PHOTO: JON-ARE BERG-JACOBSEN



"Get the foreign beggars out of here," says former Labour Party leader Haakon Lie.
PHOTO: DAG GRUNDSETH


The 102-year-old former head of the Norwegian Labour Party, Haakon Lie, was among those lashing out last week against the relatively new bands of foreign beggars that have been aggressively coaxing coins out of Norwegians' pockets.

The beggars, many from Romania and Bulgaria, wander in groups or settle on street corners and shake their cups at passersby. Several of the women hunch on their knees and wail at passersby, in the hopes of gaining their pity.

It's the aggressive, often theatrical, nature of the begging that has spurred debate. In one case, three pairs of beggars systematically moved from bench to bench in a downtown park, waving their cups under the noses of those sitting there on a recent summer morning.

"Get them out of here," Lie told newspaper Dagsavisen. While the former Labour leader has sympathy for the drug addicts that also beg for spare change on Oslo's streets, he has none for the foreigners. "Norway shouldn't become a market for professional beggars and thieves from eastern Europe," Lie said.

In an unsual alliance, spokesmen for both the Conservatives and the Progress Party sided with Lie, as did Labour Party veterans Rune Gerhardsen and Jan Bøhler, the latter two both viewed as coming from Labour's leftist wing. Erling Lae, the top city politician from the Conservatives, wants to deport the foreign beggars.

But neither Justice Minister Knut Storberget, who's also from the Labour Party, nor Labour's spokeman on justice issues, Thomas Breen, will go along. Storberget points out that a law against begging was revoked just a few years ago, and he won't ask the police to round up the beggars.

Breen told newspaper Aften on Thursday that many of the foreign beggars can't be deported on the basis of visa violations. If they come from countries within the EU, for example, they don't need visas at all.

"Those who have a problem with beggars sitting with a cup have a personal problem," claimed Breen. "This isn't a problem that can be solved by the police. Foreign beggars come here because Norway is a wealthy country. We should instead try to help them so they can stop begging."

Aftenposten English Web Desk
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle2545923.ece


Robbery rate skyrockets
While Norway's murder rate has fallen by nearly half, its number of robberies has skyrocketed. In Oslo, home break-ins are up nearly 60 percent over last year.


Bold thieves, believed to be professional and largely from eastern Europe, are breaking into homes both during broad daylight and even at night while their occupants are at home sleeping.

Nearly 1,500 home break-ins were reported nationwide during the first half of this year, according to new crime statistics released this week by the police and Justice Minister Knut Storberget.

That's up 37 percent from the first half of last year. In Oslo, home break-ins were up 58.8 percent.

Police suspect that the increase is linked to groups of traveling bands of organized criminals from overseas, said assistant police director Vidar Refvik.

Car thefts, meanwhile, were down 5.5 percent and have nearly been cut in half during the past five years. As reported earlier, only 10 murders were committed in Norway during the first half, a decline of nearly 40 percent.

Aftenposten English Web Desk
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle2543178.ece


Shop may ban Gypsies
Audio equipment store Hi-Fi Klubben has sparked controversy by announcing that they will be banning anyone they deem to be a Gypsy. The shop claims that a gang of Gypsies is responsible for the organized theft of NOK 200,000 worth of equipment from their stores, but admit that implementing a ban will involve difficulties.


Hi-Fi Klubben marketing head Harald Hovland believes the same group has methodically robbed their stores, and that there is no other way to stop the thefts.

"A gang of Gypsies come into the store. From the surveillance cameras I counted eight persons that all had definite tasks. Several occupy the sales staff while others carry good out of the shop. One person monitored the location," Hovland said.

"The thieves appear to be a family of parents and children. They drive a Swedish registered car and speak Swedish," Hovland said.

The company is now weighing the option of banning Gypsies from their stores, an option Hovland calls "frustrating", and admits it won't be easy defining who should be banned.

"We have to base our decision on a personal feeling of people with dishonest intentions, physical traits, such as dark skin or other typical Gypsy characteristics, and their coming in groups. Then we must likely say no," Hovland said.

Hovland said that if police don't catch criminals then the shops themselves must protect their wares, a stance that has the support of merchants but not the police.

"I reckon that there will be reactions but hope that this won't be interpreted as racism. This is a reality and I want others to understand the consequences of us doing nothing," Hovland said, and said that insurance did not cover shoplifted goods.

Hovland offered to discuss the problem both with police and immigrant organizations.

The Red Electoral Alliance Party (RV) planned a protest demonstration at an Oslo Hi-Fi Klubben outlet on Friday.

Aftenposten's Norwegian reporter
Simen Slette Sunde
Aftenposten English Web Desk
Jonathan Tisdall
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...icle586410.ece



Four times more crime in Oslo than New York
The crime rate in Oslo has been growing at an alarming rate and recent statistics show the Norwegian capital had 20 percent more robberies last year than in 2006.


While crime in the rest of Norway has been going down, it has been quite another situation in Oslo, where personal and automobile thefts increased markedly last year.

There were 10,600 crimes reported in public places in 2007, up from 8,000 a year earlier, writes Norwegian daily newspaper Dagbladet.

Oslo had the highest rate per person in Scandinavia in terms of reported crimes, with 90 reported crimes per 1,000.

Copenhagen had 50 crimes reported per 1,000 and Stockholm had 79.

In New York, there were 22 reported crimes per 1,000 inhabitants.

This means there were four times as many reported crimes per person in Oslo as in New York.

The Oslo police are blaming the increase on an influx of East Europeans, and Minister of Justice Knut Storberget is reportedly partly in agreement.

However, Storberget said it is necessary to be careful drawing parallels with such statistics. "But regardless, we can say the crime figures in Oslo are too high," he was reported to have said.

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http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle2299327.ece


Frustration over organized beggars
Oslo politicians are angered by a recent invasion of organized foreign panhandlers drawn to the capital by recent legislation forbidding the policing of beggars.



A beggar sitting in the middle of Karl Johans gate, Oslo's main pedestrian street, which leads to the palace.
PHOTO: Georgsen, Tone


Police and the city council advise people to stop giving to the city's new beggars, and claim that organized bands from Romania have invaded Oslo, newspaper Dagsavisen reports.

Police have received a rash of complaints from Oslo residents who are frustrated by aggressive beggars, and there are a growing number of visiting supplicants from abroad, with beggars from eastern Europe now present year round, instead of just in the summer.

"These beggars have a different approach, with gestures and shouts. I have personally had them shove their cup right up in my face," police officer John Finsberg told Dagsavisen.

But new legislation leaves police powerless to intervene unless a beggar can be construed to be disturbing the peace. Checks reveal that the foreign beggars, most from Romania, have their tourist visas in order, and that they move on to another European country when their time runs out.

"It appears that they are very well organized and we see them driven in to the downtown area together and then they spread out," Finsberg said.

City council leader Erling Lae agrees that the way to stop the trend is for residents to stop giving the newcomers money. The city of Oslo always has an offer of shelter and food for the needy, which applies to legal visitors, so Lae said there is no need for this kind of begging.

Lae also made it clear that authorities do not consider the selling of the street magazine =Oslo, a project that allows drug addicts and the homeless to earn money, to be in the same category.

"And most people can easily see the difference between the foreign, organized beggars and a tired Norwegian drug addict asking for help," Lae told Dagsavisen.

Aftenposten English Web Desk
Jonathan Tisdall
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1220280.ece


Tutti razzisti anche in Norvegia.

[The Mask]

Beggars spark new debate
Rising opposition across party lines to an influx of beggars in Norwegian cities is prompting calls to reimpose a ban on begging. Some Labour Party officials, however, are defying the opposition and even countering their own party's ageing patriarch.
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sopratutto con i terroni dell'europa lo sono sempre stati
che ti credi di essere al nord di tutto? ce sempre qualcuno piu a nord ...

[massena (POL)]

se è per questo ne avevano già le palle piene in finlandia 6 anni fa.
solo che erano yugoslavi.
li mettevano nei campeggi assieme ai turisti.

[Dragonball (POL)]

Consideraţi justificată măsura amprentării romilor de către autorităţile italiene?
Da
81 81%

Nu
19 19%
Numar voturi: 1706

Consideri giustificata la misura italiana di prendere le impronte ai rom?
SI
81%
NO
19%.

P.S.
E' un sondaggio fatto da un quotidiano rumeno a cui,ovviamente,hanno risposto rumeni.
http://www.adevarul.ro/

[BrianzaOvest]

Io conosco un po' la ROmania e molto l'Ungheria e so che c'è moltissimo razzismo verso i rom, più che da noi.

[Una Qualsiasi Pietra]

Beh? Pensavano forse che avessimo l'esclusiva?

[pietroancona]

le prime persecuzioni razziste contro i rom si fecero in Norvegia all'inizio del novecento!! I norvegesi sono vecchi razzisti!!

[Forrest Gump (POL)]

E' stupefacente come molti utenti di sinistra rifiutino nel modo più assoluto la realtà delle cose (direi del mondo).
Il mondo che vorrebbero non esiste, il sogno li porta sempre più lontano, lontano, lontano... e ogni volta che scoprono che la realtà che sognano è solo nella loro testa, si incazzano e finiscono per isolarsi ancora di più.

[BrianzaOvest]

E' stupefacente come molti utenti di sinistra rifiutino nel modo più assoluto la realtà delle cose (direi del mondo).
Il mondo che vorrebbero non esiste, il sogno li porta sempre più lontano, lontano, lontano... e ogni volta che scoprono che la realtà che sognano è solo nella loro testa, si incazzano e finiscono per isolarsi ancora di più.

Ma invece che parlare di destra e sinistra parliamo dei problemi reali della gente, non si può?

[massena (POL)]

no, il problema sono i rom e i giudici, poi i cinesi, magari gli ebrei ecc.ecc.
mai una volta che la colpa delle cose che vanno male sia NOSTRA.

p.s.:
per i rom: chi infrange la legge va in galera. nessuna giustificazione etnica.