[Thread generale] Guerra in Ucraina - Discussione generale

[raminex]

non ci sarà nessuna guerra, la realtà sul campo è che la Russia ha un esercito composto da una infinità di soldati di leva, la Nato questo schieramento di forze lo può solo che sognare ,allo stato attuale può solo permettersi di starnazzare ,prima arretra le su esigue forze dai confini della Russia meglio è

[Midìl]

A mio parere, la storia delle corazzate (o navi da battaglia), ha un andamento piuttosto chiaro. Se non sbaglio, in tutto il mondo non sono più state messe in cantiere navi da battaglia dopo il 1941. Mentre fino a quel momento ne erano state messe in cantiere in numero considerevole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...f_World_War_II.
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Quanto lei espone, esimio, è il DOPO, io esponevo il prima.
Ad ogni modo furono varate NdB anche dopo il 1941.
La Yamato, la Musashi (l'apoteosi dell'errata Super-NdB che doveva "ammazzare" ogni altra NdB con la sua superiore artiglieria, che invece fu un fallimento totale, anche perchè impiegata malamente), la Vanguard britannica, alcune NdB e IdB Statunitensi.
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Dopo il 1941 furono varate solamente navi da battaglia messe in cantiere entro il 1941. Nessuna nave da battaglia, per quanto ne so, è stata messa in cantiere dopo il 1941.
La Vanguard, è stata messa in cantiere nell'ottobre del 1941.
La Missouri nel gennaio del 1941.
La Roma e la Musashi nel 1938.
La Jean Bart e laTirpitz nel 1936.

(Salvo sviste, ho riportato l'ultima corazzata messa in cantiere per ogni stato che ne abbia costruite poco prima o durante la seconda guerra mondiale)

Saluti.

Midìl



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_(23)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Missouri_(BB-63)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia...ip_Roma_(1940)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japane...leship_Musashi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French...an_Bart_(1940)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Tirpitz



P.S.: In realtà, facendo qualche ricerca, ho scoperto che gli Stati Uniti avevano messo in cantiere, nel 1942 (marzo e dicembre), due corazzate, la Kentucky e la Illinois, ordinate nel 1940. Ma i lavori sono andati molto a rilento, e non sono mai state completate. Si era anche pensato di trasformarle in portaerei.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kentucky_(BB-66)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Illinois_(BB-65)

[Niemand]

non ci sarà nessuna guerra, la realtà sul campo è che la Russia ha un esercito composto da una infinità di soldati di leva, la Nato questo schieramento di forze lo può solo che sognare ,allo stato attuale può solo permettersi di starnazzare ,prima arretra​ le su esigue forze dai confini della Russia meglio è

Altrimenti avanzano loro

[Marximiliano]

Gli Usa combatterono su più fronti nella WWII, eppure hanno vinto

In realtà hanno vinto i russi che combattevano su un fronte solo

[Uomodiscienza]

In realtà hanno vinto i russi che combattevano su un fronte solo

certo certo...
Gli storici dicono che "la WW2 è stat vinta con sangue russo, acciaio americano e cervello inglese", semplice

I russi stavano (e stanno tutt ora) con le pezze al culo, senza i camion dati loro dagli US in lend-lease sarebbero arrivat a Berlino nel 1980 con la logistica che avevano...

Much of the logistical assistance of the Soviet military was provided by hundreds of thousands of U.S.-made trucks and by 1945, nearly a third of the truck strength of the Red Army was U.S.-built. Trucks such as the Dodge 3⁄4-ton and Studebaker 2+1⁄2-ton were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. American shipments of telephone cable, aluminum, canned rations and clothing were also critical.[40] Lend-Lease also supplied significant amounts of weapons and ammunition. The Soviet air force received 18,200 aircraft, which amounted to about 30 percent of Soviet wartime fighter and bomber production (mid 1941–45).[32] Most tank units were Soviet-built models but about 7,000 Lend-Lease tanks (plus more than 5,000 British tanks) were used by the Red Army, eight percent of war-time production.

A particular critical aspect of Lend-Lease was the supply of food. The invasion had cost the USSR a huge amount of its agricultural base; during the initial Axis offensive of 1941-42, the total sown area of the USSR fell by 41.9% and the number of collective and state farms by 40%. The Soviets lost a substantial number of draft and farm animals as they were not able to relocate all the animals in an area before it was captured and of those areas in which the Axis forces would occupy, the Soviets had lost 7 million of out of 11.6 million horses, 17 million out of 31 million cows, 20 million of 23.6 million pigs and 27 million out of 43 million sheep and goats. Tens of thousands of agricultural machines, such as tractors and threshers, were destroyed or captured. Agriculture also suffered a loss of labour; between 1941 and 1945, 19.5 million working-age men had to leave their farms to work in the military and industry. Agricultural issues were also compounded when the Soviets were on the offensive, as areas liberated from the Axis had been devastated and contained millions of people who needed to be fed. Lend-Lease thus provided a massive number of foodstuffs and agricultural products.[41]

According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:

On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources.[32]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

[animal]

Notizia vecchia secondo alcune fonti ameriCane i russi sarebbero almeno 200.000 vicini alla frontiera...e incredibile 140 milioni nell'intero paese!
La guerra e' vicina @Amati dove sei?

[Mec]

certo certo...
Gli storici dicono che "la WW2 è stat vinta con sangue russo, acciaio americano e cervello inglese", semplice

I russi stavano (e stanno tutt ora) con le pezze al culo, senza i camion dati loro dagli US in lend-lease sarebbero arrivat a Berlino nel 1980 con la logistica che avevano...

Much of the logistical assistance of the Soviet military was provided by hundreds of thousands of U.S.-made trucks and by 1945, nearly a third of the truck strength of the Red Army was U.S.-built. Trucks such as the Dodge 3⁄4-ton and Studebaker 2+1⁄2-ton were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. American shipments of telephone cable, aluminum, canned rations and clothing were also critical.[40] Lend-Lease also supplied significant amounts of weapons and ammunition. The Soviet air force received 18,200 aircraft, which amounted to about 30 percent of Soviet wartime fighter and bomber production (mid 1941–45).[32] Most tank units were Soviet-built models but about 7,000 Lend-Lease tanks (plus more than 5,000 British tanks) were used by the Red Army, eight percent of war-time production.

A particular critical aspect of Lend-Lease was the supply of food. The invasion had cost the USSR a huge amount of its agricultural base; during the initial Axis offensive of 1941-42, the total sown area of the USSR fell by 41.9% and the number of collective and state farms by 40%. The Soviets lost a substantial number of draft and farm animals as they were not able to relocate all the animals in an area before it was captured and of those areas in which the Axis forces would occupy, the Soviets had lost 7 million of out of 11.6 million horses, 17 million out of 31 million cows, 20 million of 23.6 million pigs and 27 million out of 43 million sheep and goats. Tens of thousands of agricultural machines, such as tractors and threshers, were destroyed or captured. Agriculture also suffered a loss of labour; between 1941 and 1945, 19.5 million working-age men had to leave their farms to work in the military and industry. Agricultural issues were also compounded when the Soviets were on the offensive, as areas liberated from the Axis had been devastated and contained millions of people who needed to be fed. Lend-Lease thus provided a massive number of foodstuffs and agricultural products.[41]

According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:

On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources.[32]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Meno male non è lei a capo della nato altrimenti ci manderebbe tutti al macello

[paulhowe]

In caso i russi dovessero avanzare delle incursioni militari in territorio ucraino i miltari USA in Germania verrebbero autorizzati a minare il tubo North Stream 2 e farlo saltare per aria.

[paulhowe]

Secretary of State Antony Blinken this week promised financial pain — “high impact economic measures that we’ve refrained from taking in the past.” President Joe Biden on Friday said the U.S. had developed the “most comprehensive and meaningful set of initiatives to make it very, very difficult for Mr. Putin.”

[Mec]

In caso i russi dovessero avanzare delle incursioni militari in territorio ucraino i miltari USA in Germania verrebbero autorizzati a minare il tubo North Stream 2 e farlo saltare per aria.

Perfetto direi chissà che non sia la volta buona che rimaniamo pure senza gas