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stuart mill
02-09-06, 21:37
"Unless we citizens of Bharat(India) know what is Islam, we will never realize the purpose of creation of Pakistan on Indian land. If the citizens remain ignorant they will invite further aggression of Islam in this land. Islam is the mission of spreading Arabic culture by killing original Hindu culture" - Shri Gopal Godse, Feb 2nd 2001


significativo, direi

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premetto che non condivido al 100% l'impostazione del sito, appoggiare israele no, semmai sperare che si ascannino fra loro e che la guerra prosegua a lungo tenendoli tutti impegnati li, però il brano che ho citato, assieme ai seguenti, da l'idea dello stato d'animo di molti indiani:

CHOOSE DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR!
IF YOU ARE A HINDU, THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS WORLD THAN YOUR MOTHER LAND - BHARAT! FIGHT IF YOU MUST! DIE IF YOU MUST!
NO HINDU CAN ASK FOR A BETTER DEATH THAN DEFENDING THEIR MAATRU BHOOMI (Mother Land).

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questo un pò mi ha commosso




(http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://www.hinduunity.org/images/index.10.jpg)http://www.hinduunity.org/images/mosque.jpg (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://www.hinduunity.org/images/mosque.jpg)ISLAMIC MOSQUES ARE TERRORIST MANUFACTURING PLANTS
Beware of Mosques & Islamic centers in your country. We infiltrated a Mosque in the U.S. as new converts on June 25th, 2006 Though we were welcomed as new converts, we were exposed to Mass-Anti U.S. and extreme hatred towards non-muslims. When we asked the Imam on how he felt about Al-Queida, he responded "These are our brothers, when they die, we die with them. Islam will conquer this world either with peace or with war. ". When we asked how we can help the Islamic cause, the Imam's response was "Learn from your brothers who are dieing everyday. Engage the enemy with everything you have. Use the Koran as your guide". ----------

e questo mi ha agghiacciato


MUSLIMS OUT OF INDIA WILL RESULT IN PEACE!-----

questo il motto del movimento


THE BLACK LIST
ENEMIES OF HINDUS EXPOSED!
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THIS PAGE EXPOSES THE EVIL FORCES THAT ARE AGAINST THE HINDU PEOPLE. EACH OF THESE PERSONS
AND OR ORGANIZATION HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF LEADING EFFORTS AGAINST OUR MOVEMENT THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS OR OTHERWISE. THEIR CRIMES ARE CRIMES AGAINST THE HINDU PEOPLE.

KNOW YOUR ENEMIES! KNOW WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DOWNFALL OF BHARAT!...and prepare yourselves for the duty towards your religion and nation.

-HinduUnity.org
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF - Crime: For overthrowing the last hope of democracy in Pakistan and hopes for peace in Kashmir. This man is directly responsible for the lives of thousands of Indian-Jawans killed at the L.O.C.
E-mail: CE@pak.gov.pk

Begum Khaleda Zia - Prime Minister of Bangladesh. Crime: Directly responsible for Hindu Genocide against the Hindu minority in Bangladesh. For more information on Hindu torture, rape and plunder please visit: http://www.hrcbm.org (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://www.hrcbm.org/) SYED AHMEDBUKHARI(IMAM OF JAMA MASJID, DELHI) - Crime: has issued a fatwa against our entire nation ..!!!! he has publicly stated that should the Ram Mandir be constructed , he would personally engineer an economic blockade of Bharat by making use of unconditional help from the Islamic world. This criminal has publicly declared support for the actions of the Taliban for the destruction of the Buddha statues.

SONIA GANDHI - Crime: Traitor to India and Hindus, Pro-Christian/Muslims agendas. This criminal is the most wanted as has a long list of crimes committed against the Hindu people. The day Sonia Maino Ghandhi becomes the prime Minister of India, that day will dooms day for India. Never must Hindus allow this Italian foreigner to rule our Country. See Photo (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/images/sonia.jpg)

The Pope - Crime: One of the biggest enemies of Hinduism. He has vowed to harvest India into Christianity. This devil is the backbone of all the immoral, unethical and forceful conversions in India. Hindus need to be aware about the forces at work to tear Hinduism apart. The Vatican, which the Pope is head provides huge amounts of money for missionary activities, particularly in India. The money is hundreds of millions of dollars. These missionaries do anything they can to convert. They purposely pass of misinformation about Hinduism, use monetary incentives and these are two of the mildest methods. The Pope has said in no uncertain terms that he will 'harvest India to Christianity'. This automatically makes the Pope an enemy of Hindus. Our heritage and culture is so rich, it is something to be preserved and appreciated. Why do they want to wipe Hindu culture of the face of the Earth? Conversion to Christianity robs so much of a Hindu. Our scriptures cover the same conduct as Christianity (albeit with more reasoning) but the most important robbery is of freedom. In Hinduism one can has the opportunity to question beliefs and choose which to be adopted and still be a Hindu. With Christianity you have to accept the Bible and Christ or you will go to hell! The bible famously quotes Christ as saying: 'None come to God accept through me'

But in the Bhagwad Geeta Shree Krishna says
'People can come to me through all paths'
It is not our intention to insult Christianity - but doesn't a system which believes that sincerity of worship, nobility of thought and action and unselfishness (among other qualities) get a person to God regardless of whom they decide to worship make more sense? Isn't such a system of reason based religion something to be preserved and protected at all costs? It would promote peace between religions but alas Christianity cannot see it (Muslims of course need no mention). For an interview with a former Catholic who exposes the Pope's hypocrisy check the following link:
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/nov/04pope1.htm

(http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://216.33.240.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=deb48c95f437b062e1d5e10e30f7c612&lat=1009372362&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2erediff%2ecom%2fnews %2f1999%2fnov%2f04pope1%2ehtm)Indeed this make The Pope a very serious enemy!
OSAMA BIN LADEN - Crime: A criminal against humanity.
Has waged unholy wars in the name of Allah against India, U.S.A and Israel. Wanted for bombings of the U.S embassy in Kenya and Tanzania. Bin Laden is the basic building blocks of Islamic Terrorism that exist in the world today.

PAT ROBERTSON (700 Club) - CRIME: THIS MAN IS EXTREMELY TERRIFIED OF HINDUISM AND WILL DO ANYTHING IN HIS POWER TO DESTROY IT. What he fears most is that Christians are converting to Hinduism. He has gone on to great extents by calling Hinduism a 'satanic religion'. He cannot be forgiven nor can his speeches be forgotten. He is truly a devil out to destroy something as pure as Hinduism.

BENNY HINN: This man is a Baptist evangelist who goes to countries around the world, especially those with large Hindu populations, like Trinidad or Guyana, and preaches about "the evil of Hindus and Hinduism". He also tries to covert Hindus to Christianity. All self respecting Hindu Jawans are asked to stop his gathering by all means possible.
LALOO PRASAD YADAV - Crime: Swindled the Gau-Chara's money, millions of rupees. Money was sent into his state from the federal government to be used as cow feed to protect the cows from starvation. Laloo somehow managed to get this hands on a large portion of this money. He will burn in hell for eternity. Laloo is also directly responsible for killing the dalits in his regime. See Photo of Laloo and Rabri (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/images/lalurabri.jpg)

M.F. Hussian - Crime: This scum is responsible for painting provocative poctures of Hindu deities in the name of "freedom of expression". We would like to see him paint a sexual picture of Prophet Muhammed engaged in having sex with a little 6 year old Aiesha. Now that would be real freedom of expression. ALL HIS ART WORK SHOULD BE DESTROYED IMMEDIATELY BY ANY SELF RESPECTING HINDU SOLDIER. NO MERCY SHOULD BE SHOWN TOWARDS THIS DESTROYER OF HINDUISM.
Photo of M.F.Hussian

(http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/images/hussain.jpg)ABU ASIM AZMI - Pro ISI,anti indian, pro jehadi, threat to nation prime accused in mumbai bomb blast.samajwadi party memeber: Locatopn: Mumbai. In a public meeting at mumbai he openly gave a lecture to his followers. CHAHE HINDUSTAN KE TUKDE TUKDE HONE DO PARVAH NAHIMAGAR ISLAM KO IN HINDU KAFRON SE BACHANA HAI

DAWOOD IBRAHIM - The leader of the pack who eats away at the foundation of Hinduism by bringing in his filth into Indian movies. His hidden messages in these movie are corrupting Hindu minds. The master mind thug behind bollywood. ISI agent, helper and financier.


pat robertson in effetti è orribile

stuart mill
02-09-06, 21:38
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Together we stand to preserve our heritage
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Basics of Hinduism
Keeping it simple - read this first! (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#simple)
Who is a Hindu (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#hindu)
Creation and destruction of the universe (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#creation)
Names, forms and deities (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#names)
Dharma, God and soul (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#dgs)
Many Paths and one God (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#paths)
Karma & Dharma (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#karma)
Who a guru is (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#guru)
What is heaven (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#heaven)
What is sin (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#sin)
Mantras & Shlokas (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#mantras)
What is evil (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#evil)
The Caste System (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#caste)
Vegetarianism (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#veg)
Hinduism - no loose ends (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#loose)
What is a cult? (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/basics.html#cult)


Keeping it simple - read this first!

Here under is a description of Hinduism that has been specifically written for this site with just one thing in mind, to keep it simple and give a short basic view of what our great religion is about. It is the feeling among a lot of Hindus and especially the younger generation that Hinduism is complicated and at times difficult to understand. There a re a number of questions that arise in the minds of the young ; like why so many Gods ? On the contrary, here is no simpler religion on earth. Whilst a scholar can go into the depth of various Puranas , Vedas and other great scriptures and learn shlokas , an insignificant devotee can attain salvation by simple Bhakti (devotion). A bhajan singer can also attain the same by singing in love of the Supreme.

Introduction of our religion, is kept simple and understandable. That is our aim at this moment. If there any questions that you may have about Hinduism, please post them on our message base (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://216.33.240.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=cec3baaee5d9893eff28e91fac71dbb8&lat=980962001&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fpub6%2eezboard%2ecom%2fbh induunity%2ehtml) and we will answer than immediately.

There are a number of highly learned persons who can and will take their time to answer those.



Who is a Hindu

A Hindu is one that believes in one God who incarnates, as and when He feels fit, in the shape and form He wants. God has incarnated in many forms as Lord Rama , Lord Shiva , Lord Brahma( in His form as The Creator) Lord Krishna and others that were in existence for shorter periods.

Certain incarnations of God have come under criticism from those who have the inbuilt mind concept that God should only be in a certain form. This is totally refuted by Hinduism. Our belief is that God has the infinite capacity and will take forms as and when He so feels. A simple little human has no right to put limitations on God.

Creation and destruction of the universe

God creates, sustains and destroys everything , when time comes. The Creator form of God is known as Brahma. He breaths out the universe as stated in the Holy book Gita. This is the same as Big Bang Theory only in a different language. Saying it in English does not make our eternal theory obsolete.

Upon creation , the form of Vishnu takes over as the maintainer of the universe . He is the prime enjoyer of the creation and its profound complex beauty and wonders. At the end of the whole creation it is all destroyed or breathed back again, as stated in the Holy book Gita. This is no different from the Back Hole as found recently by the scientists. The Vedas clearly state that everything comes from nothing and goes back to nothing . The is a clear indication of Hinduism's claim of understanding the "Zero" long before any other cultures.

The whole process from creation to destruction is divided into 4 parts called yugas : Sat Yug, Treta Yug, Dwapar Yug and the Yug of Kali. The universe is now in the era of darkness ( kali Yug ), although the destruction is a long way to go ,the whole process starts all over again after destruction. The progression from the first yug to the last counted as one day of Bhraman - The Supreme Lord, The creation has 427,000 years to go before the destruction , upon which the new cycle will begin.


Names, forms and deities

Many names and forms are given to each incarnation and different powers ofGod, with the love and affection by each individual devotee. Deities are a part of our worship and whilst a miracle should never be a prerequisite for a true believer , the Milk Miracle by The supreme Grace of Lord Ganesh is a
living proof of its powers .No Hindu will allow this Miracle to be forgotten.

Deities are made full use of in Hinduism for the purpose of concentration. We are not apologists for the same. This has been highly maligned by the Islam and Christian beliefs. They fail to see that they themselves have always used deities. The Islamics use the Kabaa ( a black stone) and the Christians the statues of Christ , Mary and the use of Cross .

That God created man in His own image (Christian belief) comes from the Hindus deities being lovingly sculptured in beautiful human forms ages ago before Christ was born.


Dharma, God and soul - Eternal

Hinduism, Our Dharma is eternal, so is God and all the souls. It is ourconviction that body dies but not the soul. At death time the soul simply passes out to take another body , be it a human or any other living thing. This unfortunately, is so frightening to some other beliefs that they turn a totally blind eye and bury their ostrich heads in sand over this issue. Next birth is dependent upon the life style one lived in the last one. Known to all, God is always kind will grant unto the devotee what he asks for. Our mind set at death will lead us to the next birth. If food was the passion than the next birth would be such as to facilitate the fulfillment of the
desires. Needless to say a maggot swimming in swill would never desire it any other way because in its physical form its requirements are totally fulfilled.

It has also to be remembered that the nature of desire for worldly things (maya) will lead to desire for more. It is indeed a vicious cycle. The desire for nature will lead to moksha (salvation) a permanent state of bliss and being in service of the Lord Himself, thus the attainment of the true destination of soul. Paradise is the ultimate goal of other beliefs where pleasures that have not been fulfilled during lifetime can be enjoyed. This is an extreme form of self gratification. Hindus ultimate aim is to be in selfless service of God . Is there a higher , deeper and more pure philosophy on earth .

The world is at a loss for turning a blind eye to the tenets of Hinduism but it has to be understood that every human has a capacity of understanding and they will follow what their mental and spiritual levels lead them towards.

Many Paths and one God

The old scriptures are a guide to salvation and an individual can steadily make his way back to God in the speed and path selected. Each soul is at a different stage in the spiritual development and thus, will make his way up as seen fit personally. Hinduism is conservative and liberal at the same time as the previous sentence portrays. It is primarily due to this reason why in a Hindu society, one will find different ways and means of reaching God. The beauty of it all is that each is tolerant of others. As in any religion , diversions and divisions are a must, as seen in Christianity and Islam , although looked down upon by those who call themselves the true believers (Shia/Sunni/Catholics/Protestants etc. Due to the age and maturity of Hinduism we have numerous divisions and learnt to live with each other long ago. Our tolerance demonstrates our age and maturity. Others are just scratching the surface by trying to come to a compromise and making peace as in the case of Catholics and Protestants. Regret, the Islamics have a long way to go , they have not even sat on the table with their Shiite brothers to
make peace. War , killing and subjugation are the blue print of the day , most unfortunately.


Karma & Dharma

Karma (deeds) and results of Karma are the basis of our lives. Knowing that good karma will bring good results and vice versa, our lives can be guided towards fruition of Salvation termed as Moksha. Karmas are of various levels and will effect a soul for short or long time depending upon its gravity. A simple act will bring a simple and short term reward , whether it be good or bad. More serious karma can bring a longer lasting reward and yet still some karmas are so good or bad that they last for some lifetimes. The result or the fruit of a karma cannot be escaped. This is hard and fast. As for bad karma when one gets realized, begins to do good deeds and takes the path towards God then fortunately the punishment of any past bad deeds only helps one reroute to God. That is the best part of it. Never is a soul condemned to eternal hell as in Christianity or Islam. There is always a chance to come back to God and He is more than willing to give even the worst sinner a chance at every corner, so much so that if a total sinner thinks of God at death, moksha is not denied to him. Although , it is hard to think of God on death bed, when the whole life has been in sin. One cannot go to a doctor's exam and pass without studying for it. When asked by Larry King on the CNN, Rev. Jerry Fallwel had no answer as to why a 2 year old Somali child dies of hunger when he has had no time even to sin against God , all Jerry had to say was that he did not know. He went on to say that, if and when he died and met God he may find the answer. My six year old son could have answered that question without thought - carried over karma from past life.... period.

The results of karma (deeds) cannot be obliterated just by accepting Jesus or Mohammed / Allah . One has to work towards personal salvation .



Who a guru is

A Guru is a teacher/guide, who will recognize the aptitude of a student and take him from there.

Guru plays a very important part in molding our lives and whilst the Holy book Gita can be accepted as Guru, so can the word of Guru Nanak , Mahavir , Swami Narayan, Buddha and numerous other thinkers and philosophers that India is proud to have contributed to the world heritage.
What is heaven

The description of heaven is simply a place where all the mayavic ( materialistic) fantasies are fulfilled. It may be right here on earth or what can be termed as heaven A person who has done good deeds like helping the poor , disabled persons in need, amount to something like a bank account that one can spend and enjoy but it does not necessarily deliver a human at the feet of God. At the time when one enjoys activities of materialistic nature as in heaven , God is the last thing in mind. If the human has accepted the true meaning of this life, as one that ends in moksha, then even if he does good deeds, the results of such deeds are offered to God and all turns into bahkti, devotion and love for Him.
What is sin

In very simple words, sin is an act that takes one away from God even if it is for a short period or for longer in relation to the seriousness of the deed. So the true devotee , even if he is a family man, will know and accept that all his karma is for God. His spiritual life is number one, without which all the zeros written on a page mean nothing. His number one is God and his life is bhakti in the truest sense. He sees God in all, the clouds, rain, heat , mountains, flowers, seasons etc. He brings up his family in the awareness of God. Due to the karma so done, his children will obviously be of good character and lead the life in love for God. A good soul also has the privilege of taking birth in such a family to continue towards the final truth. Very rewarding indeed.
Does God punish Eternally ?

No . Unlike the Christian and Islamic beliefs, God is kind and will always give a chance to a lost soul to come on the right path. In fact at every stop in this life there is a chance to go back. So much so that , even if one has lived his life in total sin, if thinks of God at the time of death , He will accept the soul . Permanent and eternal punishments are always stressed in beliefs that have huge gaps in their philosophies. Brainwashing is the base of instilling fear and keeping the "flock together". One cannot question any tenets of other beliefs just out of fear of severe punishment from God .

Hinduism is different , one is encouraged to meditate (think) many answers out for one's self. This in fact develops the mind to much higher understanding than just reading and accepting what is offered in a book or a scripture.

Mantras & Shlokas
Mantras and shlokas are used by devotees to divert their minds towards God. It brings the whole mind frame diverted to God and at the same time live a normal life as termed by humans. A Guru will prescribe a mantra in relation to the capacity and spirituality a person has reached. Just as there is no single drug for all diseases there is no single mantra for all. In the
absence of a Guru , the chanting of OM will no doubt lead one to the correct direction. A natural , inborn attraction to a mantra is a good one to start with.

The Shlokas (verses) and beautiful names of God have a spiritual vibrations
that leads one to higher levels of thought and understanding.


What is evil
All creation is the work of God and so is evil. The decision for a human is which path he wants to select the good or the bad? The path via evil is full of self destruction and killing one's conscience , the path from good is allowing that hidden voice of God within us to flourish. This is termed as Mahabharat, the war against what is one's own - lust, greed, pride, anger and jealousy. They are as much a part of us as Bhishmapita was to Arjun.
The Caste System

This is the most misrepresented, misunderstood and misused aspect of Hinduism. For some it was to retain their authority and for some it is a point by which Hinduism can be demeaned and make the Hindus demoralized. Sinister persons and organizations have used and misused this theme for their benefit and divided the Hindu community into fractions for the purpose of converting them to other religions.
What is the caste system as prescribed in the Gita ? It is a division of community into four different classes in relation to their trade. This is all the enemies of Hinduism will say ; if they read the Gita further , it says, one is not of a particular caste by birth, it is by his karma. This last bit is purposely ignored. A simple fact sinisterly ignored and our enemies have been successful in dividing us without much effort. This is where this website comes in and will unite and undo the damage done by these foreigners.
Vegetarianism

The whole concept of vegetarianism is based on respect of God and his creation , whereby the animals are also considered as a great part of His wonderful universe .

Vegetarianism is strictly recommended in Hinduism, for the simple fact that to harm an animal , a creation of God, for taste and self gratification only brings bad results. It is naive to think that because one kills in the name of God/Allah the fruits of such an act is forgiven. If Allah or Jesus were co kind would they slaughter a cow for consumption ? The rule is steadfast, one must suffer the consequence of it. Just think of the basis on which a Muslim will not eat pork and a Hindu will not eat beef. One , Islam's refusal of pork is based on hate for the animal and a Hindu's avoidance of beef is based on kindness and respect for an animal. The basic difference is hate versus love and respect. Yes, there are numerous Hindus who eat meat but the results of such a karma is their own and nobody else's. The suffering that such deeds bring are visible all over the world. Immorality, cruelty , lack of ethical behavior etc are the results of it. In these times, incest , teen pregnancy, abortions, premarital sex , lack of respect for parents, Gurus and Saints is rampant. It is indeed in these times when it is the easiest and hardest to get moksha. Simple bhakti (devotion) and good karma are the shortest road to God but it is also hard due to the presence of the lustful activities all around you. If life is surrendered to God then the atmosphere has no effect on the devotee. Simple living and high thinking should be the basis of life. This is why the faces of most Hindus reflect a humility that the west finds hard to apprehend. For a Hindu, pain and pleasure have no meaning, these are considered just two ordinary states that are temporary. Life itself is temporary.

Hinduism - no loose ends

This is a very bold statement to make indeed. Hinduism is a complete religion with no loose ends and all questions have answers within its concept. There is no denying. There are other beliefs that have huge gaps and are explained away by simply saying that God is impossible to understand fully. If anything God is indeed very easy to understand by simply loving Him, the rest just follows.
What is a cult?

A cult is something that a person starts, attracts people to it with rewards, even kills fellow humans to convert, has hard and fast rules, if not followed, permanent punishment like eternity in hell etc are advocated to keep the followers in the flock. Any diversion is scorned. All free thinking is banished. The flock is ordered not to discuss other faiths. Even the love and respect of your land's rivers, mountains and Holy places suddenly become simple water and dust and at the same time be replaced by Mecca or some city in the Middle east. Total hypocrisy. Non believers are called names in derogatory terms to keep the flock under the cult leader. Animals are sacrificed in the name of God, but for the selfish purpose of consumption and self gratification. I will leave the reader to decide which beliefs fit the mold of a cult.
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stuart mill
02-09-06, 21:50
GENERAL
Hinduism is on the attack from three main groups and each is as dangerous as the other. Firstly , the Christians have an upper hand on us with the economies under their control, secondly the petro-dollars in the hands of the Muslims and thirdly, from within us, the Hindus who either falsely or for some ulterior motives believe that Hinduism can survive the onslaught in modern times as it has in the past. In times when the Christians have openly taken on the task of harvesting us to Christianity, the Muslims with their Jihad and the pseudo secularists, who will stop at nothing, the gravity of the situation will have to be realized now or the very survival of Hinduism is at risk. Join us free (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/join.html), together we can make the difference and fight as one.

GOALS & PURPOSES:

POINTS OF HINDU AGENDA

From the beginning of the creation Bharatvarsha known by the name of Aryavarta and Hindusthan has been the birthplace of Hindu race and its ancestors. In the ancient history of the world, the glory of this world famous, Indivisible, sovereign Aryavarta spread over from Himalayas to the seas is clearly mentioned. It is an undisputed and self-evident Arya Rashtra or Hindu Rashtra duly supported geographically.
After its freedom from the unfortunate slavery (by the Islamic Mogul Empire) of one thousand years Hindu nation as a result of its continuous struggle and unmatchable sacrifices should have got political, religious and cultural freedom in its motherland, Bharat. After the unfortunate partition of Bharatbhoomi, the remaining portion of divided Bharat inevitably and self-evidently remains and continues to be secular Bharat Bhoomi. It is indeed extremely unfortunate that due to the shortsighted and foreign-oriented thought and perception of the country, this most ancient, glorious and cultural civilisation finds itself powerless, helpless and orphaned in its own country.
The political parties prompted by the spirit of pseudo secularism and not the real secularism, which the term conveys, by resorting to the policy of appeasement of anti-national elements(muslims) have rendered the mainstream Hindu Samaj deplorably orphaned and their motherland Bharatvarsha like a wretched Dharamshala.
HinduUnity.org presents this Hindu agenda before the political parties to salvage Bharat and Hindu Nation unfortunately surrounded by inimical forces and innumerable difficulties to ensure just human rights to the vast community of 80 crores in their homeland. It is the duty of every political party in the country to promise to safeguard the interests of the national mainstream, i.e., Hindu Samaj (Sanaatan, Boudha, Jain, Sikh Panths, etc.)
Hindutva and nationalism in Bharat are synonymous. Hindu Samaj is indisputably the main current of Bharat. Hindu interest is the national interest. Therefore, the honour and the interests of Hindus will be protected in every manner.
Every nation has a constitutional denomination. Only "Bharat" Which has the ancient, glorious and historical connotations will have constitutional recognition.
The patriotic Hindus all over the world aspire to construct a magnificent temple at Sri Rama Janma Bhumi in Ayodhya in accordance with the model approved by the revered saints. The Janma Bhumi Complex will be immediately handed over by enacting a suitable legislation to Sri Rama Janma Bhumi Nyas which is in forefront of Sri Rama Janma Bhumi awakening and is recognised as such by Hindus all over the world.
The Holy campuses of Sri Krishna Janmasthan at Mathura, and Sri Kashi Vishwanath Temple, Gyanvapi at Varanasi which were desecrated and remodelled by the barbaric Mogul empire will be immediately handed over to the Hindu Samaj by enacting a suitable legislation.
Slaughter of Cow and its progeny shall be completely banned throughout the country by enacting an effective legislation and made a rigorously punishable offence.
Gau-Seva Ministries will be formed in the centre and the states to protect environment, natural ecology and agro-economy, for establishment of self-reliant village-oriented economy, to foster and develop the national species of cow and its progeny, for production of natural and organic manure and to enhance the production of milk, butter, ghee and yogurt, etc., and to utilise the tremendous ox-power in national interest.
The anti-national activity of religious conversion of Hindus by force, fraud or false propaganda by exploiting the innocence the poverty of backward communities will be strictly banned.
All foreign remittances to non-governmental agencies, social, religious or service organizations or individuals will be stopped, so that the money and material so received is not misutilised for religious conversion and other divisive conspiracies.
A uniform civil code will be promulgated throughout the country to check inequality, imbalance, injustice, and atrocities on women and to stop the malpractice of polygamy.
Abortion and female infanticide, which promote immorality and female persecution, will be banned. More stringent penal provisions will be made against rape and kidnapping of women. Firm steps will be taken to check the scourge of dowry system.
Article 370 of the Constitution, which smacks of a separate balkanised identity of Kashmir from the rest of the country, will be scrapped. The restriction on sale and purchase of property in Kashmir by Bharatiya citizens will be abolished.
The Kashmiri Hindu migrants will be honourably rehabilitated. Their snatched properties will be restored and the deprived Hindu families will be compensated. Adequate arrangements for their security will also be made.
Secessionist demands and propaganda in Kashmir or anywhere else in the country, or indulging in violent activity will be ruthlessly repressed. Secessionist demand will be a strict penal anti-national offence.
Terrorism results in untold sufferings to the people of the country. Therefore, the very source, whether internal or external, will be uprooted by determined action of the Government.
The special rights and privileges granted to the minorities(muslims) will be made available to all sections of the society to end inequality.
Universally recognised, well-developed and scientific language Sanskrit will be made a compulsory subject of study throughout the country.
Mother tongue will invariably be the medium of primary education.
Teaching of Bharatiya culture and Dharma will be made compulsory.
The status of second official language accorded by certain states to Urdu in foreign script will be withdrawn.
The distorted presentation of modern, social and cultural history of Bharat will be re-written by honest, patriotic and learned historians and archaeologists. The teaching syllabus shall be accordingly reformed.
Singing of "Vande Maataram" everyday will be compulsory in all educational institutions.
Pooja, Archana and religious construction activities of math, mandirs and ashrams will be deemed a charitable activity and will be entitled for exemption from the income tax.
A specified portion of Government revenue shall be earmarked for the various Dharmic, charitable objects of the taxpayers.
Efforts will be made at Government level to spread and develop Ayurveda and other indigenous medical systems.
Government interference and control on pilgrim centres, muths, mandirs and ashrams will be removed and they will be made autonomous for proper management.
Pilgrimages shall be made tax-free. Ministries shall be established at the centre and in the states to restore the glory of pilgrim centres and to develop them as also to facilitate and encourage pilgrimage.
Drinking and non-vegetarianism will be discouraged by the Government. All meat export from the country will be banned. All big mechanical abattoirs will be closed.
Vigorous efforts will be made for immediate expulsion of all those who have infiltrated into Bharat after 1st January, 1970. Country's borders will be issued to the residents of bordering areas.
Pervasive arrangements will be made for the cleanliness, piety and glory of religious centres and rivers.
Terrorist and anti-national activities will be ruthlessly crushed by appropriate legal provisions.
Any denigration of, or disrespect to, any faith including Hindu culture, belief or tradition, or any venerated character, by audio-visual, written or spoken means will be a penal offence and strictly enforced.
National economic policy will be based on Swadeshi and self- reliance.
It shall be the moral duty or the Government to protect the religious and cultural rights of non-resident Bharatiyas living in neighboring and far off countries and to develop their Dharmic, cultural and social relations.
Non-resident Bharatiyas will be treated as Bharatiya citizens.
The old and glorious historical names of towns, roads and places will be restored.
Prominent Hindu festivals will be declared national holidays.
The rights and privileges accorded to scheduled castes and scheduled tribes will be withdrawn on their conversion.
In view of the unimpeachable historical, literary and archaeological evidence, the places of Worship (Special Provision) Act, 1991 shall be suitably modified/repealed.
Minority Commission and similar partisan institutions will be abolished.
Recruitment in armed, paramilitary and police forces on communal lines will not be permitted.

FAQ'S ABOUT HINDUUNITY.ORG


Do I have to be a Hindu to join HinduUnity.org? Are non-Hindus allowed to join ?
All our Hindu brothers and sisters are deeply welcome to join our cause. Anyone can join HinduUnity.org providing that they support the cause of Hindutva and a forming a Hindu Rashtra in India.

How does HinduUnity.org feel about Muslims and Christians?

India by all means claims to be secular but minorities have more rights than Hindus. This is absolutely not fair and will not be tolerated. India spends millions of rupees on sending Muslims to Mecca for their Hajj all at Indian tax payers money. What do Hindus get? Nothing! Hindutva activists are being assassinated in broad day light by pro-Jihad activists. Islam's agenda for India is total conquer and conversion of it's citizens to Islam. If Hindus don't wake up, then we are doomed. Muslim birth rate in India is out of control. Should Hindus wait until muslims become the majority ? We think not!

Christians on the other hand are using immoral means
to convert Hindus into Christianity. Sari wearing nuns enter a poor village with food, clothing and money. The rest is history. Some other methods are too immoral to even address here. We are strongly against this practice and we will fight whichever way possible against to counter act it.

Where should all the existing Muslims in India go ?

We believe that they all should have taken advantage of the 1947 partition. All muslims should go back to Pakistan and Bangladesh where I am sure they will be welcomed. Muslims who wish to stay back in India should behave themselves and not ask for special privilegedes. They should also realize that Bharat is a Hindu nation where Hindu rules and regulations apply. We believe that no political seats should be held by muslims in India as there is not a single Hindu who holds a seat in Pakistan and any other muslim nation. Why should India oblige and appease muslims in this manner? No reason.


Why does HinduUnity.org want a Hindu Rastra as opposed to a 100% secular government?

India is the land of the Hindu people just as Isreal is the land of the
Jews. Being 100% secular is impossible. Islam is not a secular religion. It's sole purpose is Jihad, whichever means possible. India has gone through 1400 years of Mogul (Afghan Barbarians) rule and we lost billions of our Hindu brothers/sisters who refused Islam. Many were put to the sword. Heads chopped off. Many burned alive. What our Hindu women had to go through was unimaginable. Thus has Islam changed since then? No it hasn't. The Koran's agenda for the Kafir is death. Hinduism on the other hand is a religion based on 100% secularism where we respect all faiths. So how can we have a 100% secular government when Jihad is a basic principal in Koran? India has to be a Hindu nation at all costs.

Does HinduUnity.org promote Hindu Fundamentalism ? Are you a militant organization? Who is behind this your organization?

We are patriots and we love our Motherland and we want to see it liberated. Hindus who love India and wish to protect Hinduism and are willing to die for it are behind this organization.

Is HinduUnity.org a front for Hinduvta groups like Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, VHP etc. ?

We are a family and operate as a family unit regardless of different
organizational names.

HinduUnity.org's views on the Babri Masjid incident?
We demand that the Muslim community of India recognizes the rights of Hindu society to these three shrines: Kashi Vishvanath in Varanasi, Krishna Janmabhoomi in Mathura and Ram Janmabhoomi in Ayodhya.

Against this perfectly reasonable demand, yet another smear campaign has been unleashed, saying that we preach "revenge". We have no inclination at all to inflict revenge on the Muslim community. We do not even demand "compensation" or "restitution". We do not even demand the return of the thousands of places of worship that have been forcibly replaced with mosques. Let the local Muslim communities continue to use them. All we demand, is the return of three sacred places.

We merely want three places back, three age-old sacred places. And we would prefer getting them back from the Muslim community, to getting them back by an official decree. For the Muslim community, this is an excellent opportunity to make up voluntarily for the huge massacres, temple-destruction and sword point conversions which its earlier generations inflicted upon Hindu society.

In the past two years many nations and communities have chosen to make a formal recognition of past errors and apologized to the descendants of their victims. The Japanese through their emperor have apologized to the Koreans for the oppression in the half century preceding 1945. The Soviet Union apologized to the Koreans for the start of the Korean war. The Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa has apologized to the blacks for its ideological support to the apartheid system. The way to make a new beginning goes via the recognition of the wrongs of the past.

So the time is ripe. We would like the Indian Muslim community to rise to the occasion of its own free will. Muslims should understand what kind of messages they are sending by insisting on continuing the
occupation of our sacred places, an occupation which was started by
fanatics like Babar and Aurangzeb. It's time the Muslim community prove that they are not the heirs and followers of such invaders and tyrants. It is up to them to make a gesture that will signify a formal break with this painful past.

VHP ON RETURN OF THE THREE HOLY SITES (Part of note submitted to the Govt. of India on Jan 6, 1991)

What are your views on Sonia Ghandhi?

She should go back to Italy asap. The entire Ghadhi-Nehru dysnaty has left a bad taste in our mouths. The rot and the break down of our foundation (after 1947) can be blamed to this dynasty. This rot still continues on today when our pseudo-seculars gave power to Sonia. Her pro-Christian/Islam policies are hurting Hindus of India today. Thus we strongly believe she needs to be removed from office as soon as possible by whatever means possible.

What are you views on Mohandas K. Ghandhi?

Gandhi was a downright PACIFIST, without guts and SCRUPLES. His constant preaching to his fellow Hindus, to be non violent at all times, EVEN IN THE FACE OF AGGRESSION, paralyzed the manhood of India, mentally and physically, to such an extent that they were (and still are) a degenerated, docile, submissive and subservient race on earth, ever ready to appease and surrender (1947), get slaughtered (Kashmir) and be kicked (Uganda, 1972, and Fiji 1987 and 2000). The Ghandhi/Nehru dynasty has led of the rot of Bharat as we know today.


Who in your opinion should rule India today?
The perfect man for this job is Shri Bala Thackeray of Shiv Sena or perhaps Shri Narendra Modi (BJP) who have displayed a true dedication to the Hindu cause.

Why doesn't Hindunity.org preach Ahimsa which is one of the major pillars in Hinduism ?

When Dharma is under attack by rogues of uncivilized barbarians, then the concept of Ahimsa becomes useless. The Gandhi-Nehru dynasty has left the Hindu mind frame in a shell-shock, cowardly nature. It is surprising to see how one man has changed the fate of a great culture and civilization so much so that we have lost our self-respect and pride as Hindus. Ahimsa only works when dealing with civilized cultures. Unfortunately we don't live in civilized times, thus true Ahimsa will only back-fire as we have seen. Shri Krishna in the Mahabharat has shown us that evil has to be destroyed. It is our duty to protect the truth. It is our Dharma.

Are you not flooding the minds of young Hindu youth to become violent in nature against all other religions?

Absolutely not. Our policy is simple. Don't mess with Hinduism, its followers and our mother land of India or we'll mess with you. Hindu youths need to know the truth like it is. If they don't take a stand now, their children will be going to Mosques and Churches within no time. They will loose everything Hindu in them. Nahi naam or nishan! Hindu youths must learn to be proud of being Hindus. They must stand tall and ready to deal with the nuisances that hinders the progress of Hinduism and Hindustan!

What is this Soldiers of Hindutva group?

Young, strong and fearless group of Hindus who are willing to die for the cause of Hindutva. The protectors of the faith!

What is HinduUnity.org's future plans?

Muslims talk of liberating Kashmir. We intend to liberate our Bharat
which includes Jammu and Kashmir and the rest of India. Let it also be known that India will not loose anymore land. There will be no partition or separate states created to suit minorities. India will remain a union or blood shed will be inevitable.

Is war inevitable with Pakistan?

The war already began long time ago. Our jawans die mercilessly at the LoC. To us, even if one jawan dies, it's as good as war. Yes an all out war will erupt if Pakistan does not stop terrorist activities in Jammu & Kashmir as well as ISI terrorist activities in India. Peace loving Hindus will eventually take up arms and protect what is left of their religion, people and culture. Liberation has it's costs.
http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif)Who is a Hindu
A Hindu is one that believes in one God who incarnates, as and when He feels fit, in the shape and form He wants. God creates, sustains and destroys when time comes. Many names and forms are given to each with the love and affection of each individual devotee. Our Dharma is eternal, so is God and all the souls. It is our conviction that body dies but not the soul. The old scriptures are a guide to salvation and an individual can steadily make his way back to God in the speed and path selected. Karma (deeds) and results of Karma are the basis of our lives. Knowing that good karma will bring good results and vice versa, our lives can be guided towards fruition of Salvation termed as Moksha. Guru plays a very important part in molding our lives and whilst the Holy book Gita can be accepted as Guru so can the word of Guru Nanak . A Hindu may or may not agree to some of the points above but he will willingly give his fellow human the right to practice religion as and how the other sees fit.
http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif)Protect Hinduism and Hindu Causes

Hindus have been demeaned willfully by the Muslims and Christians for a period of over thousand years. United we can bring an end to it. We have been through a time when being a Hindu was considered a lowly thing, not only from the Muslims and Christians but also amongst ourselves. That mentality has to be gotten rid of as of today. By making a protest , personally , by letters and via Email together we can flood any individual, organizations and governments with mails to listen to our causes , concerns, needs and views.

http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif)Motivate Hindu Pride

This basically links with the preceding paragraph. A Hindu can pride himself in way more than one can imagine. Some highlights are, our contribution in all fields for Human development from the very zero itself to the understanding of the creation. Numerous data is available to prove this beyond a speck of doubt.
http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif)Protest in unity against Anti-Hindu propaganda

Using the might of sword of simple protest and non-violent methods, Mahatma Gandhi was able to give us the independence from the British Government, which was the very epitome of power at the time. Times have changed, he had no United Nations to go to and did not have the internet to form a power beyond apprehension. Today we can sit on our computers and send messages at the click of a finger and if the messages are powerful enough and in substantial numbers the achievements thus derived will keep our causes on the front burner.
http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif)Counter conversions
Conversions come in ways unknown to us. Christian Missionary's work with the intention to convert. The base of aid in the way of medicines, schools , universities and development are not for the betterment of the population at large. The base of it all , the purpose is conversion to Christianity.
The problem between India and Pakistan is not Kashmir, it is Islam and the teachings of Koran, whereby the world has to be conquered by all means to be converted to the path to Allah. If the case of all the surrounding countries for India is not a clear example, than we can term it suicidal spiritual blindness. Only one example will suffice; Indonesia is today 87% Muslims . Examples of the Philippines, Burma, and others are not any different. With the Islam comes the teaching of Arabic and a total cultural revolution follows without question. That would include hatred for all that the population stood for before conversion. If India today is not going to wake up. the country will be totally annihilated into little parts. Parts of India are already clamoring for separation having either Muslim or Christian majority. If for any reason, one thinks America will not support the fight for separation in another state , think twice. Examples of Kosova, Bosnia, Timor, Chechnya and still to come another piece of Indonesia is about to fall to the same.
Both Christians and Muslims will never stop to think that if and when a period comes when half the world is Islam and the rest Christian , then .... what ? They will be like the film Omen whereby, it is brother against brother, on either shores etc..
http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif (http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/redirect.php?url=http://hinduunity.org/images/b3.gif)Promote Hinduism around the globe
By being aware of what is going on in the world today from Hindu point of view, we shall keep ourselves aware and ready to act in cases of necessity. This will be the duty of all of us to be in touch at this website, getting news from us, we shall get a lot of information from you all around the world. This will be a joint task. Webmaster cannot do it by himself nor does he expect to. With a click from our end millions of us will be aware of a situation anywhere in the world and act as seen fit.
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By reading the basics of Hinduism at this site one can instill this very essential knowledge to our children who are sometimes totally ignorant to the hidden agenda of our hard core enemies. If nothing else make our children aware and give them the foundation that our parents gave us and no one dare try convert us. The knowledge of Shlokas, epics and the rest can be up to individuals and recommended.

Support fellow Hindu organizations and individuals
Too often have we heard that Hindus do not support Hindus and on the contrary hinder the progress of his fellow Hindu This is the remnants of the slave mentality left over from the 1000 year history of being oppressed by Muslims and Christians. Let us wake up and stand by our brothers and sisters.

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In the new Millennium the name Hindu will be spoken with respect not only due to the solid foundation that this website will bring about but we shall be respected for our contribution to world in all fields of development. Hindus are today making progress that all of us are not aware of , the message board and chats at this site will be a powerful tool to broadcast news instantly as it happens with little effort. An instilled pride will make us better world citizens and very well respected.
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stuart mill
03-09-06, 11:28
ovviamente non condivido tutto, di ciò che ho citato, però fa riflettere

stuart mill
07-09-06, 13:46
breve disanima:

India by all means claims to be secular but minorities have more rights than Hindus. This is absolutely not fair and

will not be tolerated. India spends millions of rupees on sending Muslims to Mecca for their Hajj all at Indian tax

payers money. What do Hindus get? Nothing! Hindutva activists are being assassinated in broad day light by

pro-Jihad activists. Islam's agenda for India is total conquer and conversion of it's citizens to Islam. If Hindus don't

wake up, then we are doomed. Muslim birth rate in India is out of control. Should Hindus wait until muslims

become the majority ? We think not!---------


traduco: l'India si dichiara paese laico, ma le minoranze hanno privilegi che gli hindù non hanno. Questo non è corretto e non può essere assolutamente tollerato.
Gli indiani spendono milioni all'anno per pagare il pellegrinaggio alla mecca ai musulmani (ma vi rendete conto!nd.stuart)
e gli hindù non ottengono nulla.
Un attivista hindù viene assassinato in poeno giorno da musulmani projihad. L'agenda islamica prevede la conquista dell'India. Se gli hindù non si svegliano, siamo spacciati.--------

questo punto è sacrosanto: è assurdo che gli hindù paghino delle minoranze invasori, intolleranti, fanatiche e criminali

Christians on the other hand are using immoral means
to convert Hindus into Christianity. Sari wearing nuns enter a poor village with food, clothing and money. The rest is history. Some other methods are too immoral to even address here. We are strongly against this practice and we will fight whichever way possible against to counter act it.--------

Riassumo: i cristiani usano metodi immorali per convertire: portano cibo e altro nei villaggi mentre cercano di convertire etc-------

anche qui, nulla da dire: simili crimini li subirono i gentili romani, e i vari gentili d'europa, nonchè tutte le popolazioni africane e americane con cui entrarono in contatto

Where should all the existing Muslims in India go ?

We believe that they all should have taken advantage of the 1947 partition. All muslims should go back to Pakistan

and Bangladesh where I am sure they will be welcomed. Muslims who wish to stay back in India should behave

themselves and not ask for special privilegedes. They should also realize that Bharat is a Hindu nation where Hindu

rules and regulations apply. We believe that no political seats should be held by muslims in India as there is not a

single Hindu who holds a seat in Pakistan and any other muslim nation. Why should India oblige and appease

muslims in this manner? No reason.-------

Dicono: i musulmani vadano in pakistan e bangladesh, dove saranno bene accolti, chi vuole restare rinunci ai privilegi e a ricoprire incarichi pubblici, visto che in pakistan gli hindù non hanno privilegi e non ricoprono cariche-----

anche qui, applausi, anzi, direi che sono pure moderati: dare la possibilità ai musulmani di restare, anche senza privilegi, è assurdo: appena nuovamente in forze, ne approfitterebbero per ottenere nuovi privilegi. Andrebbero espulsi tutti, assieme ai cristiani, si intende.

Qualche commento?

Vurdak
07-09-06, 15:47
Solite cose. Tipico del kali yuga.
Choose death before dishonor.

DiDestra (POL)
07-09-06, 17:48
Solite cose. Tipico del kali yuga.
Cioè ?

stuart mill
07-09-06, 18:12
[QUOTE]Solite cose. Tipico del kali yuga.


giusto, però poi che non vengano a frignare i cammellati e i preti se prendono legnate



Choose death before dishonor.

già, bella frase :)

stuart mill
26-09-06, 09:00
su!

Fenriz (POL)
29-09-06, 17:07
Cioè ?

MiNestra colpisci anche qui ?

stuart mill
29-09-06, 17:28
MiNestra colpisci anche qui ?

mah, pare abbia fatto toccata e fuga:D

Fenriz (POL)
29-09-06, 18:45
mah, pare abbia fatto toccata e fuga:D
speramo...quel tizio me fa paura :D :D

stuart mill
29-09-06, 19:00
ma non essendoci argomenti del tipo: meglio israele o meglio l'islam, come su dr, non sa come inserirsi