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How Turkish are the Anatolians?

The Anatolians are the ethnic descendants of both the indigenous populations of Asia Minor who converted to Islam (and were thus spared from the genocidal campaign of the Ottomans and Kemalists during the early 20th century), and also of non-indigenous populations from the Balkans, the Middle East, and Central Asia. From Central Asia came the Turks, who were the main agent for the Islamization and during the last century Turkification of Asia Minor.

To what extent are the Anatolians descended from Central Asian Turks? The study of Cinnioglu et al. (2004) discovered an occurrence of 3.4% of Mongoloid Y-chromosomal haplogroups in Anatolia (haplogroups Q, O, and C).

According to Tambets et al. (2004) the occurrence of Mongoloid haplogroups in present-day Central Asian Turkic Altaic speakers (Altaians) is at least 40%, with an additional 10% which might belong to haplogroup O which was not tested in this study. According to Zerjal et al. (2002) this percentage is for various Turkic speakers: Kyrgyz (22%), Dungans (32%), Uyghurs (33%), Kazaks (86%), Uzbeks (18%).

It is clear that the percentage of Mongoloid ancestry among the Turkic speakers is very variable, yet it is clear that the Proto-Turks must have been partially Mongoloid in lieu of the fact that all current Turkic speakers possess some Mongoloid admixture. The average of the six Central Asian population samples listed above is 38.5% and may serve as a first-order estimate of the paternal contribution of early Turks, who (judging by their modern descendants in Central Asia) were more Caucasoid paternally and more Mongoloid maternally.

Using the figure of 38.5%, the paternal contribution of Turks to the Anatolian population is estimated to about 11%. In lieu of the approximation, allowing for 33% relative error in either direction for both the true frequency of Mongoloid lineages in Anatolia and in early Turks, we obtain a range of 6-22%. It would thus appear that the Turkish element is a minority one in the composition of the Anatolians, but it is by no means negligible.





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Very usefull essay!
So can we call Anatolians "Turkish speaking" (Greeks+Iranians+Armenians+....)?
hahahahaha
Down with oghuz turks!
Ardashir | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 3:05 pm | #

Please keep politics out of this blog.
Dienekes | Email | Homepage | 02.11.05 - 9:18 pm | #

I have a problem with this statement:
"It would thus appear that the Turkish element is a minority one in the composition of the Anatolians, but it is by no means negligible"

Mr Pontikos!

Ancient true Turks were essentially MONGOLOID!so when Anatolian Turks only have ~4% Mongoloid admixture,we can conclude that the real Turkic element in Turks IS negligible!
I suggest that Oghuz tribes who setlled in Anatolia in 11 century,have a great level of Caucasoid admixture due to their mix with local Iranian tribes living in central asia before their attack on Eastern Roman territories!
Ardashir | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 10:20 am | #

I think that all of Uzbeks,Turkmens are racially SEMI-CAUCASOID and therfore ethnically SEMI-TURKIC! As I remember,perviously you wrote an essay anout the Yakut Turks,who have ~95% Mongoloid admixture! So we can claim that the Yahkuts are the most Turkic nation of the world!
Is it true?
Ardashir | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 10:24 am | #

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2004/08...of-yakuts.html
Ardashir | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 1:42 pm | #

>> As I remember,perviously you wrote an essay anout the Yakut Turks,who have ~95% Mongoloid admixture! So we can claim that the Yahkuts are the most Turkic nation of the world! Is it true?

Yakuts have a high frequency of Y-haplogroup N which is not usually found in Turkic speaking populations. The Yakuts are a special case of a Siberian Turkic-speaking population that is unrelated to the bulk of the Turkic speakers who do not possess haplogroup N.
Dienekes | Email | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 8:46 pm | #

Thanks!
Ardashir | Homepage | 02.12.05 - 9:20 pm | #

Now we only have to discover how much Ionian Greek genes Anatolians carry.
jaimito | Email | 02.13.05 - 9:43 am | #

Turks have Mongoloid ancestry?
john | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 10:09 am | #

>>Yakuts have a high frequency of Y-haplogroup N which is not usually found in Turkic speaking populations. The Yakuts are a special case of a Siberian Turkic-speaking population that is unrelated to the bulk of the Turkic speakers who do not possess haplogroup N.
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OK! and due to their isolated homelamd,Yakuts have less Caucasoid admixture than the aother Turkic ethnos!So we can conclude that they remained to some extent "homogenous".Now,why do yo go for estimate that the avrage Mongoloid admixture for ancient Turks and Proto-Turks were only ~38%?
Ardashir | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 10:14 am | #

In ancient times until 6th century AD,we can't find any Turkic tribe in central Asia and Iranian civilized our semi-nomadic tribes like Soghdians,Khorezmians, Scythians and Sarmatians,and also Caucasoid Tocharians,occupied these vast lands.But from the begening of 6th century,Turks started their great migration and captured some cities and settled there.Of course the Caucaoid elements (mainly Iranians) didn't disappear! They continue living there but accepted the Turkish language and became Turkified!So if one will go for estimate the racial composition of the Ancient Turks,s/he have to pay attention to this very important facts.Yes! of course the ancient Turks had Caucasoid admixture,but why?Of course,because of their mix with the Caucasoid peoples they rulled! So,we can't base our analize on racial structure of modern Turkish-speaking central asians like Turkmens and Uzbeks to reach a logical result for calculate the Mongoloid element for the ancient Turks.It is better for us to f
Ardashir | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 10:40 am | #

contine:>>
It is better for us to find an isolated Turkic people,who had less contacts with Caucasoid ethnos,and I think you would agree with me that this people is without any doubt the Yakuts who have ~95% Mongoloid ancestry!Also,we should pay attention that Turkish and Mongolian languages are very very similar together and both belong to Altaic group.So,why you don't go for say that the Ancient Turks were essentilly a Mongoloid people??
please excuse me for my very bad Engelish!
Ardashir | Homepage | 02.13.05 - 10:42 am | #

I read somewhere that the Turks were "mixers", that they would migrate, intermarry and become involved in ruling over the people, or with the people, within which they migrated. I think the source of this information spoke of the Middle East and not Anatolia.
Dean | Email | 02.13.05 - 6:42 pm | #

Ardashir, I already explained to you that the Yakuts are not genetically related to other Turkic speakers. Take the time to read what I wrote before you repeat yourself.
Dienekes | Email | Homepage | 02.14.05 - 5:10 am | #

>>Ardashir, I already explained to you that the Yakuts are not genetically related to other Turkic speakers. Take the time to read what I wrote before you repeat yourself.
Ardashir | 02.15.05 - 10:47 am | #

And you didn't explain WHY?
Please be more patient!
Ardashir | 02.15.05 - 10:48 am | #