Corea....

[Lorenzo]

La Cina, assieme a Zimbabwe, Cuba e credo il Vietnam è l'unico paese al mondo ad intrettanere rapporti diplomatici ed economici con la Corea del Nord. La Cina è il principale partner economico della Corea del Nord, rappresentandone oltre il 50% sia degli import che degli export.

Miles Insulae

[Zefram_Cochrane]

La Cina è il principale partner economico della Corea del Nord, rappresentandone oltre il 50% sia degli import che degli export.

veramente il principale partner economico della cdn è la corea del sud
nelle zone speciali della cdn la maggior parte delle industrie straniere sono sudcoreane( a loro conviene perchè il costo della manodopera in cdn è bassissimo)

[agaragar]

La Cina, assieme a Zimbabwe, Cuba e credo il Vietnam è l'unico paese al mondo ad intrettanere rapporti diplomatici ed economici con la Corea del Nord. La Cina è il principale partner economico della Corea del Nord, rappresentandone oltre il 50% sia degli import che degli export.

Miles Insulae

La Cina confina con la Corea....ed è il principale partner di molti paesi...

[Mario S.]

Comunque così com'è è un paese in una illusione. Avere per presidente un morto...
Politichi illusorie le conosciamo tutte ma questo fenomeno idolatrico pensavo fosse superato ormai dopo i disastri del '900 almeno per qualche secolo... invece...

[Lorenzo]

La Cina confina con la Corea....ed è il principale partner di molti paesi...

Daccordo!! Ma comunque non è guerra con la Corea del Nord, tantopiù che anche la Mongolia confina con la Cina, ma non ne è il principale partener economico. Anche la Corea del Sud ed il Giappone sono vicini della Cina, ma intrettangheno la maggior parte dei rapporti con gli USA e non con la Cina.

Miles Insulae

[Lorenzo]

Comunque così com'è è un paese in una illusione. Avere per presidente un morto...
Politichi illusorie le conosciamo tutte ma questo fenomeno idolatrico pensavo fosse superato ormai dopo i disastri del '900 almeno per qualche secolo... invece...

Socialogicamente tuttavia è interessante la società nordcoreana!

Miles Insulae

[yurj]

La Cina, assieme a Zimbabwe, Cuba e credo il Vietnam è l'unico paese al mondo ad intrettanere rapporti diplomatici ed economici con la Corea del Nord. La Cina è il principale partner economico della Corea del Nord, rappresentandone oltre il 50% sia degli import che degli export.

Miles Insulae

Cuba ha rapporti con tutti i paesi del mondo, punto e basta.

Chi mette embarghi o provoca dovrebbe essere bandito dalla comunità internazionale.

[yurj]

Comunque così com'è è un paese in una illusione. Avere per presidente un morto...
Politichi illusorie le conosciamo tutte ma questo fenomeno idolatrico pensavo fosse superato ormai dopo i disastri del '900 almeno per qualche secolo... invece...

Ci sono molte leggende metropolitane sulla corea del nord, ma chi c'è stato ha avuto cmq una buona impressione, regime e austerità a parte.

[yurj]

http://www.crowcroft.net/dprk.htm

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2. The next thing to hit me was CARS CARS and BICYCLES. The number of cars on the roads are now VERY significantly higher compared to my previous two visits. These photos at KIS Square give an idea of the car density during the day. April 14, 2004. A year ago these streets would have at most 1 car every few minutes. Now there are so many that the Government must start a public education campaign to get people to LOOK both ways before stepping off the kerb.

3. And then again a surprise was the fact that most buildings in PY have been refurbished and repainted. the roads and footpaths very very clean. All the plastic sheeting over windows for Winter had been removed. Days were about 15-20 deg C. Here are some general street scenes in PY last week. A similar cleanup of building and canal walls was also going on in Wonsan, Sariwon and Kaesong. There were no blackouts or airraid drills while I was there.

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Personal Conclusions
1984 is the DPRK. Or go and see The Godfather trilogy; that is how the DPRK works at the top.

1. Reunification. Forget it. It is never going to happen. It is a pipe-dream being peddled to the DPRK masses. The USA is the bad guy always finding excuses to stop it. All media from outside the DPRK is banned - no radio, newspapers, movie films. Personal contact of foreigners by local people is banned.

2. Collapse from Within. Forget it. The indoctrination system for the masses is now so well honed that I see no sign of discontent. As long as the Kim Family look after the top cadres and the Army with gifts and perks the Family will be secure. People have been predicting the demise of the DPRK for years. Most recently Victor Cha in testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (March 2, 2004) said: "the overturning of systems like North Korea occur not when things are at their worst, but when they begin to get better." Well sorry, but there has never been a socialist state like the DPRK where information is totally controlled. KJI almost never appears in public no doubt remembering how Ceausescu met his end - boos from the masses. In Eastern Europe TV and newspapers freely flowed over the borders.

Also it is certainly NOT in the interests of South Korea to have 10 million people walking into Seoul over the DMZ.

A coup? Well from what I have read 2 or 3 coups have been ruthelessly suppressed over the last 10 years. Possible, but I would not bet on it.

3. Is Change Possible? Yes. In a word, China. The balancing act the DPRK will have to do to make China happy is where the action will be in the next years. Will the DPRK do a deal to get rid of nuclear weapons? I doubt it. Maybe they will put them under joint Chinese/DPRK control. How far will the DPRK go to allow in Western cars and consumer goods? Not very far I suspect. But of course I don't know. But two things I do know:
- if the DPRK masses ever get to see South Korean TV they will not be happy to have been misled for so long, and
- I am sick of reading articles and opinions about the DPRK by people who have never been there! It has taken me three visits to finally get an insight into how the place operates. How can some lawyer in Seoul or a Presidential advisor inside the Washington Beltway reading 'intelligence' Reports hope to understand the DPRK if they have never visited Kumsusan Palace, Sinchon Museum and a host of other places?

4. A Role for the USA? I doubt it. There has been a Stalemate at the DMZ for over 50 years. Why should it change? The DPRK will not invade the South and the South certainly will not invade the North for all the known reasons. And from an historical point-of-view the USA are not exactly endowed with great perspicacity when it comes to foreign wars, occupations and interventions. How popular are the Americans in South Korea? Why? I have never been there but that will be my next visit. I have recently seen the problem described as American narcissism.

5. Public Obeisance, Private Doubt. The Children are brought up to think that the DPRK is the best country on earth. But there are so many facts in conflict with this that obeisance in public is the only way to survive for adults with any brains. Giving voice to doubt will only get you sent to the Camps. Or try to escape to South Korea.

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[ART]

si, come nei western spaghetti....

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