In which I kind of like Gomorra

[Domenico Letizia]

Watching the award winning Italian - really Nnapulitano, a language even I have difficulty understanding - film based on the popular book by Roberto Saviano, I have to say that I liked the movie, but disagreed with the message.

Though a popular message with one side of Italian society, usually the busy bodies who care more that mafiosi aren’t elected officials or appointed bureaucrats than they do that a few of them commit some violent crimes, I, as someone with relationships with people involved in some of the organized crime syndicates on the boot, don’t see the same level of violence and inherent thuggery that the biased Italian media usually reports on. From my perspective, in fact, even the most violent mafiosi don’t have the amount of blood on their hands that Carabinieri from the years of lead do.
Though I’m not defending every little action by organized syndicates and clans, especially not those of the exceptional cases like the Casalesi, I’m just saying that most Italians who are so diametrically opposed to the idea of having these culturally significant establishments around really overestimate the violence of organized crime groups and significantly underestimate the comparative violence of their own government.
From my experience, in fact, Italian organized crime is not only more accountable to their business partners, but they’re also more honest in their dealings than any government I’ve ever lived under.
Just a thought on an otherwise excellent movie.


http://leftlibertarian.org/

[ARI6]

Chi l'ha scritto?
Servirebbe la fonte!

[Steppenwolf]

Watching the award winning Italian - really Nnapulitano, a language even I have difficulty understanding - film based on the popular book by Roberto Saviano, I have to say that I liked the movie, but disagreed with the message.

Though a popular message with one side of Italian society, usually the busy bodies who care more that mafiosi aren’t elected officials or appointed bureaucrats than they do that a few of them commit some violent crimes, I, as someone with relationships with people involved in some of the organized crime syndicates on the boot, don’t see the same level of violence and inherent thuggery that the biased Italian media usually reports on. From my perspective, in fact, even the most violent mafiosi don’t have the amount of blood on their hands that Carabinieri from the years of lead do.
Though I’m not defending every little action by organized syndicates and clans, especially not those of the exceptional cases like the Casalesi, I’m just saying that most Italians who are so diametrically opposed to the idea of having these culturally significant establishments around really overestimate the violence of organized crime groups and significantly underestimate the comparative violence of their own government.
From my experience, in fact, Italian organized crime is not only more accountable to their business partners, but they’re also more honest in their dealings than any government I’ve ever lived under.
Just a thought on an otherwise excellent movie.

Un messaggio talmente vero da essere per me quasi scontato,scrivo all'incirca lo stesso ,con l'aggiunta di altri punti per cosi dire "pro-mafia"( la quantita' di violenza non e' l'unico punto ) quando comparata ai corpi statali,da anni.
Fonte?

[RanTasipi]

Chi l'ha scritto?
Servirebbe la fonte!

Niccolò Adami, noto catto-agorista sanmarinese-americano. Così, giusto a testimonianza dell'abissale diversità tra left-libertarians nostrani e 'mericani. ;-)

Qui l'articolo.

[Domenico Letizia]

si articolo davvero bello e importante mi ha colpito perciò l'ho riportato.
più che essere promafia coò che colpisce e che dovrebbe passare ecome lo stato somiglia in modo impressionante alla mafia.
fatto sta che cmq sto libro gomorra ora è noto anche tra i left-libertarian.

[Domenico Letizia]

Niccolò Adami, noto catto-agorista sanmarinese-americano. Così, giusto a testimonianza dell'abissale diversità tra left-libertarians nostrani e 'mericani. ;-)

Qui l'articolo.

Ran. visto che sei molto inforato sai se inizia a girare qualcosa in italiano di ciò? http://issuu.com/alliancejournal/doc...7a43cfb2a21bdc

[Domenico Letizia]

Niccolò Adami, noto catto-agorista sanmarinese-americano. Così, giusto a testimonianza dell'abissale diversità tra left-libertarians nostrani e 'mericani. ;-)

Qui l'articolo.

e sempre da blog di Adami riporto cosa intende per Christian Anarchism:


In a recent e-mail, a fellow Anarchist, and a co-contributor to the blog, inquired about the position of Christian Anarchism; both questioning the validity of the title and the substance of its content, his inquiry represents a great deal of confusion within the broader Anarchist movement – namely, the religion dilemma. Indeed, any Christian Anarchist must understand that most Anarchists tend to look at any branch of religion, not just Christianity, with great suspicion and that if Christian Anarchists wish to join the ranks of Anarchist comrades, they must first present their case by answering a few of the common objections.


Of the most common challenges to the Christian Anarchist there includes the question of authority and how a Christian can account for his rejection of authority given his adherence to God, the Bakunin assertion that God is the ultimate enslaver of humanity, the supposed lack of “reason” or “proof” that suggests the Christian faith to be an irrational one, and also the general tendency of Anarchists to favor a culture separated from traditional paths associated with Christian movements. Though to a Christian Anarchist all of these objections seem unwarranted, they still pervade in the minds of anti-authoritarians as principled and solid. Given this state of mind then, the job of the Christian Anarchist is simply to demonstrate the fallacies hiding behind the veils of rhetoric in these objections in hopes of converting fellow Anarchists not to the religion itself, at least not necessarily, but to the mindset that Christian Anarchism does indeed represent a serious movement within the Anarchist movement and that as all other Anarchists, Christian Anarchists deserve the same amount of respect for their convictions and support in their methods of direct action.

[RanTasipi]

e sempre da blog di Adami riporto cosa intende per Christian Anarchism:


In a recent e-mail, a fellow Anarchist, and a co-contributor to the blog, inquired about the position of Christian Anarchism; both questioning the validity of the title and the substance of its content, his inquiry represents a great deal of confusion within the broader Anarchist movement – namely, the religion dilemma. Indeed, any Christian Anarchist must understand that most Anarchists tend to look at any branch of religion, not just Christianity, with great suspicion and that if Christian Anarchists wish to join the ranks of Anarchist comrades, they must first present their case by answering a few of the common objections.


Of the most common challenges to the Christian Anarchist there includes the question of authority and how a Christian can account for his rejection of authority given his adherence to God, the Bakunin assertion that God is the ultimate enslaver of humanity, the supposed lack of “reason” or “proof” that suggests the Christian faith to be an irrational one, and also the general tendency of Anarchists to favor a culture separated from traditional paths associated with Christian movements. Though to a Christian Anarchist all of these objections seem unwarranted, they still pervade in the minds of anti-authoritarians as principled and solid. Given this state of mind then, the job of the Christian Anarchist is simply to demonstrate the fallacies hiding behind the veils of rhetoric in these objections in hopes of converting fellow Anarchists not to the religion itself, at least not necessarily, but to the mindset that Christian Anarchism does indeed represent a serious movement within the Anarchist movement and that as all other Anarchists, Christian Anarchists deserve the same amount of respect for their convictions and support in their methods of direct action.

In realtà non spiega cosa intende per Chiristian Anarchy, dice semplicemente che gli anarchici religiosi (non solo cristiani) sono guardati con sospetto dagli altri anarchici, anche a causa del retaggio bakuniano secondo cui Dio sarebbe l'ultimo degli schiavisti dell'umanità.
Adami esorta gli anarchici religiosi a dimostrare la fallacia di tale assunto e a esigere pari rispetto di tutti gli altri antiautoritari.

Insomma, una chiara presa di distanza dal laicumenismo imperante a sinistra. Clap, clap per Adami.

[Domenico Letizia]

In realtà non spiega cosa intende per Chiristian Anarchy, dice semplicemente che gli anarchici religiosi (non solo cristiani) sono guardati con sospetto dagli altri anarchici, anche a causa del retaggio bakuniano secondo cui Dio sarebbe l'ultimo degli schiavisti dell'umanità.
Adami esorta gli anarchici religiosi a dimostrare la fallacia di tale assunto e a esigere pari rispetto di tutti gli altri antiautoritari.

Insomma, una chiara presa di distanza dal laicumenismo imperante a sinistra. Clap, clap per Adami.

insomma una chierissima spiegazione....
sarebbe interessante vedere lo sviluppo di questo dibattito.
Bakunin parla di una sorta di educazione che nasce con il cristianesimo e che ti ''prepara'' ad essere sudditi anche in terra cioè in poche parole come in cielo l'autorità sulla terra lo stato.
ma quest'analisi può andr bene per società diciamo profondamente ''coservatori'' non in un sistema più o meno liberale, che professa libertà di culto.
Fatto sto, Adami lo consiglio di segiure perchè spesso tratta di politica italiana.

[RanTasipi]

Adami lo consiglio di segiure perchè spesso tratta di politica italiana.

Si, talvolta dice anche delle grandi puttanate, come quando elogia il sistema delle coop rosse in Emilia Romagna.