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[Gianluca]

Comunque, l'uguaglianza nelle condizioni di partenza non è raggiungibile se non con altrettanta redistribuzione che per ottenere uguaglianza nelle condizioni di arrivo.

A meno che qualcuno non pensi seriamente che crescere nella famiglia Agnelli sia lo stesso che crescere in una famiglia qualsiasi...

no, questo è ovvio

pero zuckerberg è molto più potente degli agnelli e non è nato in nessuna famiglia ricca

è questo il punto, chi non nasce in una famiglia ricca ha opportunità o no?

Si che le ha

[Gianluca]

Per questo c'è un tasso di frustrazione in giro che metà avanza...

Comunque sia chiaro che io non sono per l'uguagliamza forzata tanto in arrivo quanto in partenza.

la frustrazione c'è perché la gente desidera e non può avere

e perché desidera?

Perché gli oggetti dei desideri gli sono sbattuti in faccia continuamente, 24 ore al giorno

[Druuna]

no, questo è ovvio

pero zuckerberg è molto più potente degli agnelli e non è nato in nessuna famiglia ricca

è questo il punto, chi non nasce in una famiglia ricca ha opportunità o no?

Si che le ha

La domanda giusta è "quante ne ha?"

[nicolaj198vi]

no, questo è ovvio

pero zuckerberg è molto più potente degli agnelli e non è nato in nessuna famiglia ricca

è questo il punto, chi non nasce in una famiglia ricca ha opportunità o no?

Si che le ha

Sono d'accordo.

Per me, è la quantità di opportunità che sta nel percorso tra partenza e arrivo che determina quanto un sistema economico e sociale è efficiente o meno.

[pedro]

Comunque, l'uguaglianza nelle condizioni di partenza non è raggiungibile se non con altrettanta redistribuzione che per ottenere uguaglianza nelle condizioni di arrivo.

A meno che qualcuno non pensi seriamente che crescere nella famiglia Agnelli sia lo stesso che crescere in una famiglia qualsiasi...

Diciamo che si vuole garantire un minimo, quello che viene garantito dalla scuola, perché altrimenti si dovrebbero togliere i figli ai poveri e agli stupidi.

[Gianluca]

La domanda giusta è "quante ne ha?"

quante la fortuna e la capacità gli permettono

dimmi una cosa tu vorresti che lo stato regolamentasse la fortuna personale?

per fortuna intendo anche la fortuna di avere talento in qualcosa

Secondo me sotto sotto si, ammettilo

Tu saresti per togliere i soldi a Gastone per darli a Paperino

ma saresti anche per togliere a chi ha un talento personale per darlo a chi non ha talento o non sa fare nulla, perché trovi ingiusto che la natura abbia dato a qualcuno cose che ad altri non ha dato

è così?

[pedro]

a) Perché non è sostenibile
b) Perché è deresponsabilizzante
c) Perché, essendo in Italia, come tutti i sussidi verrebbe erogato alla ca**o di cane (tipo a chi lavora tranquillamente a nero e risulta nullatenente).

C'è un grande malinteso sul reddito di cittadinanza, perché pare si tratti di dare 6000 euro al mese a tutti. Il punto dovrebbe essere abbattere l'intero sistema di sussidi pubblici (assegni familiari, pensione d'invalidità, pensione sociale, sussidio di disoccupazione, food stamps, buoni per i libri scolastici, edilizia popolare, ecc...) e sostituirlo con 200-300-400£ al mese da dare a tutti indistintamente. Potrebbe anche costare meno del sistema di welfare attuale, soprattutto considerando che i primi percettori sono i dipendenti dei vari ministeri che vengono assunti per gestirlo.

[nicolaj198vi]

Diciamo che si vuole garantire un minimo, quello che viene garantito dalla scuola, perché altrimenti si dovrebbero togliere i figli ai poveri e agli stupidi.

Ci può stare, realisticamente.
Io lo farei in maniera diversa dal sistema attuale, ma il fine lo condivido.

[pedro]

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Sono mesi che consiglio ai povery del forum e non di imparare a fare le moltiplicazioni e andare a lavorare come data analyst. La verità è che questa gente non vuole lavorare.

[Garat]

no, questo è ovvio

pero zuckerberg è molto più potente degli agnelli e non è nato in nessuna famiglia ricca

è questo il punto, chi non nasce in una famiglia ricca ha opportunità o no?

Si che le ha

Quello è uno su un miliardo. Non prova assolutamente nulla.
La normalità è il figlio di Agnelli che va avanti ed il figlio del signor rossi che rimane un emerito signor nessuno.
La meritocrazia NON esiste. O meglio, esiste ma non funziona.