Il Bar di POL

[agaragar]

Non credo gli operai, visto che quelli che fuggirono per primi erano proprio i borghesi.

Ma infatti stanno parlando per sentito dire.

Dalla biografia di un 'proletario'

I started weightlifting back at home (in Cuba) when I was not quite 18 and it was an accident. I wanted to come to the United States,
but several of my friends wanted to come in on the boat, and to tell you the truth I never liked this idea. I'm not such a great champion that I would fight the sharks.
I am scared of death. I don't care; call me chicken if you want. I don't deal with that.

So one time they got a small little boat and we were planning to leave Cuba to go to Miami (to defect) and there was supposed to be just three guys.
When I got there to escape there was like eight guys! And they did not even fit in the boat. So that means you have to have three with their legs outside the boat and I said, "no way Jose."

Sergio Oliva I am thinking if I go from Cuba to Miami I am going to lose my legs. I said, "No, I am not going." So there was another time.
Before this time I said, "It seems like I am going to have to stay in Cuba for a while." I had always been, not really skinny, but good and strong because I had always worked very hard in my life, always.
And I had always been very strong. But I had no knowledge of weightlifting or bodybuilding. I was not doing any sport because we were too poor.....................

Well of course now I have a little money and now I eat three meals a day besides that. He gave me all the protein and vitamins I needed for my training.
but we could not bring anything to our families. Meanwhile your parents and your brothers and sisters hardly have one meal a day. That was killing me. It was killing me but there was nothing I could do, I had no control.
If they catch you taking anything out you go to jail and there is no time limit. So if you go to jail just maybe they will let you out.
You could eat anything you wanted, like eggs, steak, vitamins and protein but when you get your pass to go and see your family: zip. Nothing............

When Fidel Castro's opposition movement overthrew the Batista Government in 1959, how did life change for you? How did communism change things for you?
When Batista was in Government, everybody got everything. We have such a beautiful island and people were coming from all over the world.
Back in those days there was no Vegas, no Reno, no casinos. Everything was in Cuba. It had the best nightclubs. People from Florida were going to Cuba for the beach.
The water was so clear. Cuba was connected with every single country in the world. We had no problem. So the big change came especially for the people who had money. I never had anything.

Had you planned to defect to the United States at the 1961 Pan Am Games?
Oh yes, I had a plan to do that from the beginning. The problem is everybody was scared of everybody (under Fidel Castro's regime) and nobody mentioned anything.
I was the captain of the weightlifting team and nobody told me that they were going to defect in Jamaica. And I wouldn't tell anybody what I was going to do.

The problem with it was that some of us had an idea that I was going to take off. And I know that out of those people, the majority,
I was the only one that came from a poor family. The majority were rich people. I assumed a lot of those people were going to take off.
That is why they sent a delegation to pretend that they were going to compete in the shooting event so they would be allowed to carry guns.
But they were not interested in that kind of competition; they were secret police for Castro to make sure that we were at one place and would only leave to go to the competition. There were also spies among us.

That must have been an extremely dangerous climate to be in.
It was but I didn't tell my Mum because she would have gone berserk. I didn't tell any of my brothers.
I trust my brothers, but the feeling was that back in Cuba a brother does not trust a brother and a parent does not trust their children.
It was a disaster. So I didn't tell anything to my brothers, but I did talk to my Dad. I told him what my plan was and he said,
"Don't tell nothing to Mum and if you have the open road go and don't look backwards. If you go, go all the way and don't look back because if they catch you,
you know what's going to happen." And it was the last day I saw my Dad.

Can you tell me exactly how you made your break to America?
After a few days in Jamaica I finally located the U.S embassy so I planned to escape the next day. But we were competing the next day
and were to go home right afterward so it was now or never. I started running to do a warm up and they asked me what I was doing.
I told them I was warming up because I was competing the next day. Then all of a sudden I took off.

So I took off, walking at first, and gained more and more speed. I was running like a deer. And I only had on a pair of shorts and a cap with no shoes
and was tracing the steps I had taken earlier that day. Then I saw a big crowd coming behind me and in my mind I thought it was the secret police.
So now I start running even faster than before because I wanted to get into the American Embassy before getting caught.

If I was captured it could have been 30 years in jail or the firing squad. But the problem was there were no secret police after me specifically;
it was the rest of the delegation who were watching me, including members of the special police who were running because they wanted freedom as well.

The delegation was watching me because in Jamaica they were asking me, "Sergio Oliva, we are in Jamaica now, what are you going to do?"
I said, "I don't know, what are you going to do?" They said, "Well I don't know." And it would go on like this. Everything was up in the air and you could feel the tension.

So when I take off I am the first one running and in those days the Embassy had two Marines outside and I was coming like a torpedo.
As I ran and picked up speed a wheelbarrow of mangoes came from nowhere. I jumped this and then jumped a large fence. Then I approached the door of the Embassy with the two Marines outside of it.

I would have taken both with me if they had tried to stop me. So they opened the door and I went through,
but right after me there were many of the delegation trying to escape and about half of them escaped.
And everyone came right after me and we had gotten inside the American Embassy and they were screaming and crying and jumping and we cannot believe it.

Everyone was shouting and jumping and embracing each other, even Castro's Secret Police. What are we going to do now?
So right away they call Washington and they say we have got a problem. They are going to send a small plane and take all of us to Miami Florida.
And this is how we came to the United States.

[Maestrale]

Vincerà la Clinton, sono mesi che ve lo ripeto.

Io lo dico da un anno e lo penso ancora, i sondaggi sono ancora dalla sua anche se con molto meno vantaggio di prima. Speriamo

[Maestrale]

Vincerà Trump mi sa. Per noi uguale per loro peggio

Se succedesse è peggio per tutti, anche per noi

[Maestrale]

Comunque il discorso su queste elezioni americane è molto semplice: ci sono solo 4 Stati in dubbio, gli altri sono già in cassaforte per l'uno o l'altro candidato

Questi stati sono:
New Hampshire, North Carolina, Florida e Nevada

Trump se vuole vincere deve prevalere in tutti e 4

Negli ultimi 3 Trump risulta in vantaggio di poco (più o meno 52 a 48), in New Hampshire la Clinton sembra avere un vantaggio più netto (60 a 40)

Quindi a meno che i sondaggi del New Hampshire non siano sbagliati di ben 10 punti la Clinton dovrebbe comunque aver vinto, anche se di poco

[kodiak]

Cos'è questo boom di visite sul forum ?
600 su politica nazionale non si vedevano dai tempi di Silvio.
200 sul fondoscala dai tempi del brankkko.

[Fenix85]

Elezioni usa più referendum....credo.

[kodiak]

O le infinite incarnazioni di bamba de kraut.

[agaragar]

Tutte le guardie presenti, donne e ragazzini compresi... lo dice anche Wikipedia... figurati un po'... cerca pure "massacro di Dachau"... vabbè, ho capito.... lasciamo perdere, a questo punto dirai: " sì ma io intendevo che non tutti i tedeschi della Germania furono uccisi a Dachau"

Non secondo l'articolo di Wiki che avevo già letto, forse secondo fonti fantasiose

L'esistenza di superstiti è un dato obiettivo difficilmente smentibile

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacro_di_Dachau

[agaragar]

Sei davvero con l'acqua alla gola... chi sta annegando si aggrappa anche alla lama di un rasoio....... t'ha fatto fare una figura da stronzo, prendine atto e finiscila di starnazzare.

Questo solo per chi non sa ragionare, il Pasolini marchettaro è inesistente

[agaragar]

Allora abbiamo stabilito che Pasolini era un pederasta ed un omosessuale per sua stessa ammissione.... che agaragar è un cazzaro, uno che sa nulla di storia e un cacciaballe che si arrampica sugli specchi..... e che quando viene sputtanato pesta i piedi come un ragazzino e cerca di buttarla in caciara.

Vado a lavorare, vi lascio di gran buon grado agli strilli del pensionato... buona giornata

Se così fosse non avresti avuto bisogno di dirlo

Se pasolini avesse caricato i ragazzini sul macchinone, troppe foto avrebbero scattato.