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The Real Student Organizations in Iran
Iranian - 20 Jun - 11:41:09 AM
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The demonstrations initially started as a protest against a move to privatize certain universities. Students belonging to middle and lower middle class families feared that this could make university education costly and deny them its benefit. They have since assumed a much larger agenda, calling for the end of the clerical rule and for the introduction of secularism and genuine democracy in Iran.

The number of students involved in these demonstrations is not very large - an average of about 3,000 per affected town, but what is remarkable is the clandestine networking, tenacity of purpose and the ability to evade detection of their cells by the Iranian intelligence agencies displayed by the organizers. Neither the MEK nor the monarchists have exhibited such capabilities in the past. Though the monarchists have been trying to claim credit for what has been happening, the evidence available suggests that the credit for the anti-cleric movement should largely go to the communists and other leftists.

After the Islamic revolutionaries seized power in Iran in 1979, Iranian intelligence promoted the formation of a number of Student Islamic Associations and Offices for Consolidation of Islamic Unity in the universities and other educational institutions to keep a watch on student activities and to prevent any movement against the clerics. Iranian students, many of them members of the Tudeh Party, had played an active role against the dictatorial regime of the Shah of Iran and in making the success of the Ayatollah Khomeni-led Islamic revolution possible. They were also in the forefront of the anti-US campaign, with many of them playing an active role in the raid on the US embassy in Teheran and the taking of US diplomats as hostages soon after the clerics came to power. The clerics, therefore, knew and feared the potential power of the students in Iran, particularly the fierce motivation of the communists and other leftist supporters among them. After seizing power with the help of the communist students, the clerics ruthlessly suppressed the communists, arresting and executing many of them. Those who escaped arrest and death at the hands of the clerics managed to flee to West Europe and started organizing their activities from there. The lead in this was taken by the London-based Worker-Communist Party of Iran (WCPI).

Until 1998, the Student Islamic Associations and Offices for Consolidation of Islamic Unity held sway in the universities and the communist cells were unable to make any headway. The situation started changing in favor of the communists from 1999 due to growing dissatisfaction among the students over the repressive rule of the regime. The communist cells organized their activities around demands for freedom of expression, respect for the human rights of political prisoners, end of the execution of political prisoners, restoration of genuine democracy, secularism, right to employment etc.

The communists issued calls for the unity of all progressive students under the banner of socialism and worker-communism and clandestinely circulated the writings of Mansoor Hekmat, an ideologue of the communist students, who had written, "'In a religious capitalist tyranny, a misogynist, anti-life, anti-intellect and uncivilized regime, the university is a natural ground for the growth of communism." One of the articles circulated by them in the university campuses said, "The more lucid, clear and radical the slogans and demands of the progressive movement for the overthrow of the Islamic Republic, the more the masses of the workers, teachers, women and progressive people will support these demands. The communist students must recognize these circumstances and be aware of its profound potential."

Among the various pro-communist organizations that started operating in the universities, one could mention the Union of Islamic University Associations, headed by Heshmatollah Tabarzadi, which started a journal called "Payam-e Daneshju", since banned by the conservative judicial authorities. It reflects the views of Iranian dissident scholar Abdul Karim Sorush, who argued that Islam and democracy are compatible and called for an end to the clergy's near monopoly on political power. Another nationwide university organization is the Daftar-e Tahkim-e Vahdat (Office for Strengthening of Unity) which, while calling for greater political freedom, distanced itself from the call for removing the clergy from the corridors of political power. The pro-communist organizations supported President Mohammad Khatami during his election campaigns, but have since become disillusioned over his reluctance to assert himself against the clerics and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

There was a fresh outbreak of student unrest in Tehran and other places in November, 2002, which was indicative of the organizing capability of the secret cells and of the anti-cleric and even anti-Khatami turn it was taking. On November 18, about 5,000 students of the Sharif University held a protest rally, which was joined by some workers from the Iran National Car Factory and Iran Sypa Motor Manufacturing . About 1,500 students of the Esfahan University also held a demonstration and shouted, "Down with dictatorship"; "Iran is not Chile" and "Both in Kabul and Tehran, down with the Taliban!"

There is as yet no evidence to corroborate the allegations of the Iranian authorities that the US intelligence has been behind the current wave of student unrest. However, it appears to be true that, after repeatedly seeing the potential and clandestine operational capability of the pro-communist students of the universities, the CIA has started shifting its bets to them rather than placing them on the monarchists and the MEK for destabilizing the Tehran regime.

Certain Western-based organizations, such as the Students' Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy in Iran, which do not appear to be directly associated with the communists, have already been in receipt of financial assistance and guidance in agitprop methods from the CIA in the past. Now, an increasing part of this assistance is being diverted to those directly associated with the communists.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF21Ak03.html

Una discussione

Bolton:Military Action on Iran an Option
American - 20 Jun - 0767 AM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...sa_bolton_dc_1

Bolton: Military Action on Iran an Option

Fri, Jun 20, 2003

LONDON (Reuters) - The United States reserves the right to take military action to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons, a leading member of President Bush (news - web sites)'s administration said on Friday.

"It has to be an option," John Bolton, under secretary of state for arms control and international security, told BBC radio when pressed on the issue.

But he stressed that it was one among an array of possibilities and relatively low down the agenda.

"The president has repeatedly said that all options are on the table, but that is not only not our preference it is far, far from our minds," Bolton said.

The United States has steadily ratcheted up the pressure on Iran, which with Russian help is building a nuclear power station, to abide by the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and sign a new protocol that would allow snap inspections.

Washington, which suspects that Tehran is trying to develop a secret nuclear arms program, insists the plant could be used to produce weapons-grade material.

Nuclear watchdog the International Atomic Energy Agency on Thursday criticized Iran's failure to comply with agreements designed to prevent the use of civilian nuclear resources to make atomic weapons.

But its statement fell short of the damning resolution Washington had hoped for.

Surely They Will Do It
Rahgozar - 20 Jun - 097:03 AM
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Why?
The basic philosophy or right wings all over the world (including Israel and USA, who are nowadays have upper hand in us policy):
a)Should not trust anyone
b)Should be superior to all.
Therefore, no matter who rules Iran, in order to main superiority of Israel over middle-east and USA (for Persian gulf oil) over others, Iran should not have nuclear potential.
And those people are not trusting , even a person like Pahlavi or even a puppet like Rab-Sobahani, as they have Iranian-blood.

RE: Surely They Will Do It
JAHAN - 20 Jun - 10:11:26 AM
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yOU ASSUME because you are a CORRUPT haghi bazaari or worse. Mullah .....--- chant every friday --- marg barg america---- you expect the world to not take them at their word.... world did not take al quaeda at its word pre 9/11

look at the history of Mullah mafia ......Beruit Barracks, david belcher assination of kings diplomat in DC, Buenos Aries Jewixh Center, Khobar Towers, Riyadh, take away knives from children... and a-bombs from mullah .....

RE: Surely They Will Do It
Mehrdad - 20 Jun - 12:15:02 PM
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I hate the mullahs, but you shouldn't mix Iran's internal struggle with US.

US has created terrorists, when needed, around the world. Osama Bin Laden was in CIA payroll. Seddam was supported by US when he invaded Iran, Contras in Nicaragua, US has created many dictators like Pinochet, US still supports the most repressive regimes in the world such as Saudi Arabia, ... etc.

And most Iranians, especially the ones who didn't grow up with monorchists families in the US, know a lot about history and the world and politics.
Unlike you!

RE: Surely They Will Do It
Mamanbozorg - 20 Jun - 01:14:03 PM
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You keep citing the Zionist’s and other Iran-haters' list of unsubstantiated innuendo, and gossip, none of which are proven in ANY court of law ANYWHERE.
Keep counting your Shekels, its loosing value real fast.

RE: Surely They Will Do It
curious american - 20 Jun - 1203 PM
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Of course, these american right wingers trusted:

1. bin laden in afghanistan during the 80's
2. northern alliance and tribal warlords in the south (operation anaconda) in afghanistan war
3. turkey and the kurds in the iraq war (not to attack each other)
4. the palestinian authority after the 1993 oslo accords (supplying arafat's security forces with tons of weapons)
5. the opinion and analysis of richard butler, several other former UNESCO and UNMOVIC weapons inspectors, exiled Iraqi nuclear scientists, and others on wmd (maybe they all lied)
6. Saudi Arabia and other OPEC nations on worldwide oil supplies. oh yeah, before their oil embargo.

Just a few thoughts.

bin Laden?
American In Texas - 20 Jun - 0103 PM
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Hasn't the whole "we supported bin Laden in the 80's in Afghanistan" card been way overplayed? I think so. As much as people bring it up, you'd swear he fought off the entire Soviet army single-handedly, due to US support. bin Laden did not make any difference in the way Afghanistan turned out in the 80's. He was just another rag-tag mujahideen fighter, just like the rest of them. Maybe he had a giant "S" on his turban like superman? Or, maybe they fought against a bunch of ruskies who were wasted on vodka?

RE: Bolton:Military Action on Iran an Option
Iranian - 20 Jun - 113:40 AM
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You never know.

For now, the hawks have caused trouble for Bush and Blair because they faked intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq to the public, and they are doing a terrible job as an occupying power.

[yurj]

I comunisti sono come l'Araba Fenice :-)

[benny3]

non conosco bene l`inglese ma qualcosa mi dice che alla fin fine pure sta volta la colpa e` degli ameri-kani....
o no yurettino??????????

[yurj]

Sei come quelli che credono di difendere Israele, dando dell'antisemita a tutti.

Le porcherie statunitensi contro l'Iran, compreso l'abbattimento terroristico di un'aereo civile, la fornitura di armi sottobanco a Khomeini, il colpo di stato del 1953, sono note.

Dovreste provare vergogna per le minchiate che sparate, servi.

[benny3]

dovresti provare vergogna per il fatto che la realta` non la conosci e non ti interessa ed invece giudichi tutto, ancora prima di sapere quello che capita.
dovresti provare vergogna per il fatto di mistificare la realta` ed urlare stronzate che il giorno dopo ti sei gia` dimenticato.
dovresti provare vergogna soprattutto per il fatto che hai il cervello infarcito cosi` tanto di ideologia che paradossalmente pur spulciando la realta` ansiosamente, non vedi nulla. o meglio vedi solo quello che ti interessa.
sono tante le cose che dovrebbero farti vergognare.
ma la vergogna per gente come te e` una virtu` sconosciuta.

[agaragar]

In Origine Postato da yurj
Sei come quelli che credono di difendere Israele, dando dell'antisemita a tutti.

Le porcherie statunitensi contro l'Iran, compreso l'abbattimento terroristico di un'aereo civile, la fornitura di armi sottobanco a Khomeini, il colpo di stato del 1953, sono note.

Dovreste provare vergogna per le minchiate che sparate, servi.

a jury, ma ke kazzo dici?
la fornitura di armi a khomeini sarebbe contro l'iran??

questo si chiama non "non capire un cazzo", ma "carenza d'analisi".....

[yurj]

In Origine Postato da Pasquin0
a jury, ma ke kazzo dici?
la fornitura di armi a khomeini sarebbe contro l'iran??

questo si chiama non "non capire un cazzo", ma "carenza d'analisi".....

Ti ricordo che Khomeini ha fatto un colpo di stato contro la Repubblica Rivoluzionaria, trasformandola in Islamica e cacciando i socialisti.

[agaragar]

In Origine Postato da yurj
Ti ricordo che Khomeini ha fatto un colpo di stato contro la Repubblica Rivoluzionaria, trasformandola in Islamica e cacciando i socialisti.

ah, vabbè.....

cmq le armi arrivavano all'iran mentre era attaccato dall'irak.

[Paul Atreides]

In Origine Postato da yurj
Ti ricordo che Khomeini ha fatto un colpo di stato contro la Repubblica Rivoluzionaria, trasformandola in Islamica e cacciando i socialisti.

AHAHAHAHAHAH

Questa è davvero grandiosa!!!