sti` imperialisti ameri-kani................

[benny3]

Liberia in piazza: "Usa help us"


Migliaia di liberiani si sono radunati davanti all'ambasciata americana perché li auti a porre fine ai sanguinosi scontri dei giorni scorsi. I ribelli hanno ucciso 300 civili.


MONROVIA - Al grido di "America aiutaci tu" migliaia di liberiani si sono ritrovati oggi davanti all'ambasciata Usa di Monrovia per chiedere l'intervento degli Stati Uniti nella drammatica guerra che sta lacerando il Paese. Da qualche giorno è stata proclamata una fragile tregua proclamata ieri dai ribelli dopo che almeno 300 persone sono state uccise in due giorni.

I ribelli del Lurd (Liberiani uniti per la riconciliazione e la democrazia n.d.r.) vogliono che il presidente, Charles Taylor, si dimetta. Lo stesso Taylor, comunque, chiede che gli Usa intervengano per aiutare il processo di pace. Bush, dal canto suo, ha invitato a Taylor ad evitare nuovi bagni di sangue.

Ieri il ministro degli Esteri francese Dominique de Villepin ha auspicato "una presenza internazionale" in Liberia.

(28 GIUGNO 2003; ORE 12:04)

[ScimmioneNudo]

Ovvio, dopo che le famigerate ADM in Iraq non sono saltate fuori, e che quindi la propganda USA abbia spinto l' accelleratore sulla bufala della democrazia e della liberazione che ci siano appelli del genere... (un pericoloso precedente)

Vedremo se le risorse della Liberia interesseranno la longa manus statunitense oppure no.

Per ora pare non gliene batta più di tanto.

[bom-bim-bom]

A proposito di democrazia e libertà...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?nav=hptop_ts

Occupation Forces Halt Elections Throughout Iraq

By William Booth and Rajiv Chandrasekaran
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, June 28, 2003; Page A20


SAMARRA, Iraq -- U.S. military commanders have ordered a halt to local elections and self-rule in provincial cities and towns across Iraq, choosing instead to install their own handpicked mayors and administrators, many of whom are former Iraqi military leaders.

The decision to deny Iraqis a direct role in selecting municipal governments is creating anger and resentment among aspiring leaders and ordinary citizens, who say the U.S.-led occupation forces are not making good on their promise to bring greater freedom and democracy to a country dominated for three decades by Saddam Hussein.

The go-slow approach to representative government in at least a dozen provincial cities is especially frustrating to younger, middle-class professionals who say they want to help their communities emerge from postwar chaos and to let, as one put it, "Iraqis make decisions for Iraq."

"They give us a general," said Bahith Sattar, a biology teacher and tribal leader in Samarra who was a candidate for mayor until that election was canceled last week. "What does that tell you, eh? First of all, an Iraqi general? They lost the last three wars! They're not even good generals. And they know nothing about running a city."

The most recent order to stop planning for elections was made by Maj. Gen. Ray Odierno, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, which controls the northern half of Iraq. It follows similar decisions by the 3rd Infantry Division in central Iraq and those of British commanders in the south.

In the capital, Baghdad, U.S. officials never scheduled elections for a city government, but have said they are forming neighborhood councils that at some point will play a role in the selection of a municipal government.

L. Paul Bremer, the civil administrator of Iraq, said in an interview that there is "no blanket prohibition" against self-rule. "I'm not opposed to it, but I want to do it a way that takes care of our concerns. . . . Elections that are held too early can be destructive. It's got to be done very carefully."

Iraqi critics of the policy shift say the American and British forces are primarily hurting themselves by smothering aspiring leaders who would benefit from the chance to work more closely with Westerners. In addition, they say the occupation authorities are fostering a dependent, passive mindset among Iraqis and leaving no one but themselves to blame for the crime, faltering electricity and general misrule Iraqis see in their daily lives.

Sattar, the would-be candidate in Samarra, said: "The new mayors do not have to be perfect. But I think that by allowing us to establish our own governments, many of the problems today would be solved. If you ask most Iraqis today if they have a government, they will tell you, no, what we have is an occupation, and that is a dangerous thing for the people to think."

Occupation authorities initially envisioned the creation of local assemblies, composed of several hundred delegates who would represent a city or town's tribes, clergy, middle class, women and ethnic groups. Those delegates would select a mayor and city council.

That process was employed successfully in the northern city of Kirkuk, but U.S. civilian and military occupation officials now say postwar chaos has left Iraq unprepared to stage popular elections in most cities.

"In a postwar situation like this, if you start holding elections, the people who are rejectionists tend to win," Bremer said. "It's often the best-organized who win, and the best-organized right now are the former Baathists and to some extent the Islamists." Bremer was referring to members of Hussein's Baath Party and religiously oriented political leaders.

Bremer and other U.S. officials are fearful that Islamic leaders such as Moqtada Sadr, a young Shiite Muslim cleric popular on the streets of Baghdad, and Ayatollah Mohammed Bakir Hakim, leader of the Iranian-supported Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, would be best positioned to field winning candidates.

Bremer promises that as soon as an Iraqi constitution is written and a national census is taken, local and national elections will follow. But that process could take months.

Ten weeks into the occupation, the cities and towns outside of Baghdad are largely administered by former Iraqi military and police officers and people who had close ties to the Baath Party. Iraqi generals and police colonels, for example, are now mayors of a dozen cities, including Samarra, Najaf, Tikrit, Balad and Baqubah.

The U.S. military contends that these people have been vetted and were not in leadership positions under the old government or associated with crimes it committed.

In Najaf last week, several hundred demonstrators took to the streets to demand elections and the removal of Mayor Abdul Munim Abud, a former artillery colonel. The protesters' banners read: "Canceled elections are evidence of bad intentions" and "O America, where are promises of freedom, elections, and democracy?"

At Friday prayers in Najaf, Sadr told the faithful at the shrine of Imam Ali, "I call for free elections that will represent all Iraqi opinion, far away from the influence of those who have intervened."

In Samarra, a two-hour drive north of Baghdad, the selection of a new mayor and city council by delegates was postponed twice, and finally canceled late last week. "There will be no elections for the foreseeable future," said Sgt. Jeff Butler of the U.S. Army's 418th Civil Affairs Battalion from Kansas City, Mo., which is charged with running Samarra.

Butler said the city had been planning a caucus to pick a mayor when the order came down from Maj. Gen. Odierno. "He said, basically, stop," Butler said.

A timetable for elections in Samarra, Butler said, "is six months at least, but I'm just guessing."

Butler said he sympathized with Iraqis who are upset over the cancellation of the elections. "We would like to see some kind of democratic system, too," he said. But for now, he said, the Iraqis need to be satisfied with "baby steps."

Like almost all of the Army civil affairs soldiers in Iraq, Butler and his six-man team do not speak Arabic, and are confronted with a bewildering environment in Samarra that includes seven major and 14 minor tribal sheiks -- plus Muslim clergy and a more secular middle class that is trying to steer clear of rule by either the religious leaders or the tribes.

The current mayor of Samarra is Shakir Mahmud Mohammad, a retired general in the Iraqi army, who came into power here in April as U.S. forces arrived in the city. Mohammad was selected by a council representing the seven major tribes in and around Samarra, and by most accounts did an admirable job keeping order in the city in the postwar weeks.

Mohammad, whose brother was executed by Hussein, now runs the city with the help of another brother and another former army commander, who serve as his deputies. Butler described Mohammad as "a very personable guy, with a decent amount of legitimacy, and he is basically somebody we thought we can work with."

But many citizens in Samarra, which has a large middle class and a large drug manufacturing plant, and is unusually prosperous for an Iraqi town, have complained about Mohammad.

In Hussein's home town of Tikrit, the American in charge is Army Lt. Col. Steve Russell, whose mission is not to establish democracy in the region, but to hunt down remnants of the former government and others who are attacking U.S. troops.

That is understandable, said Nabel Darwish Mohamed, the mayor of nearby Balad, who is a former colonel in the Iraqi police corps. "But the American soldiers must understand that security comes also from giving the people their own leaders, their own powers. That will calm things down, I think."

Mohammad added, "Fine, we embrace the Americans, we want to see the security. But we want them to move aside and let us have our own voices. We have waited a long time for this and we are growing tired of the waiting, okay?"

Chandrasekaran reported from Baghdad.

[Mr. Hyde]

Sorvolando sul classico tentativo di dirottamento di 3D (BBB, aprite uno tuo no), trovo che sia terribile la situazione presente in Liberia. Perche` non si muovono gli Europei?

[Mr. Hyde]

In Origine Postato da damps
perché non si muovono gli europei?

caro umorista,
l'ultima volta che gli Europei si sono mossi
per dire la loro riguardo alla guerra all'Iraq...
un'altro po' l'America li bombardava.

Oltre a postulazioni ridicole hai altro d`aggiungere?
So che Villepin ha discusso la situazione di recente con Bush..ma sarebbe ora che prendessero un po` d`iniziativa.

E c`e` persino gente che ha coraggio di lamentarsi quando si sente dire che senza gli USA le nazioni unite non hanno una spina...

[ScimmioneNudo]

In Origine Postato da Mr. Hyde
Sorvolando sul classico tentativo di dirottamento di 3D (BBB, aprite uno tuo no), trovo che sia terribile la situazione presente in Liberia. Perche` non si muovono gli Europei?

Non so se vi siano già tentativi di discutere diplomaticamente. Vorrei si evitasse ogni intervento armato, se possibile.

[Mr. Hyde]

In Origine Postato da ScimmioneNudo
Non so se vi siano già tentativi di discutere diplomaticamente. Vorrei si evitasse ogni intervento armato, se possibile.

Cittadini stessi chiedono agli USA di mandare soldati..ti pare verametne possibile risolvere "pacificamente" questa questione? Sono la` che si stanno scannando senza pieta`!

Come detto: sarebbe l`ora che l`Europa mostrasse un po` di spina e fermasse queste stragi (ed occhio ora mi arriva l`idiota comunista di turno a parlare d`Iraq o Guantamo...restiamo in 3D please.)

[ScimmioneNudo]

In Origine Postato da Mr. Hyde
Cittadini stessi chiedono agli USA di mandare soldati..ti pare verametne possibile risolvere "pacificamente" questa questione? Sono la` che si stanno scannando senza pieta`!

Mai rinunciare, Sun Tzu insegna. L'arte della guerra comincia dalla diplomazia. SEMPRE.

[Mr. Hyde]

In Origine Postato da ScimmioneNudo
Mai rinunciare, Sun Tzu insegna. L'arte della guerra comincia dalla diplomazia. SEMPRE.

Scimmione, sai che mentre i diplomatici mangiavano formaggio e pasteggiavano a champagne, SOLO la scorsa settimana, almeno 500 civili sono stati uccisi.

Questa e` una delle debolezze di voi europei (a costo di generalizzare): tanto fumo e poca sostanza. Noi saremmo anche il contrario, ma quando c`e` da agire agiamo. Cosa minchia si sta` aspettando?

[ScimmioneNudo]

In Origine Postato da Mr. Hyde
Scimmione, sai che mentre i diplomatici mangiavano formaggio e pasteggiavano a champagne, SOLO la scorsa settimana, almeno 500 civili sono stati uccisi.

Questa e` una delle debolezze di voi europei (a costo di generalizzare): tanto fumo e poca sostanza. Noi saremmo anche il contrario, ma quando c`e` da agire agiamo. Cosa minchia si sta` aspettando?

Io sono d'accordo purchè si percorrano prima le vie diplomatiche. Non mi pare sia così...