iscoberta manna!!!

[Lutzianu]

The answer lies in the pip: Sardinian discovery rewrites the history of wine
By John Phillips in Rome
04 August 2004


A trowelful of pips and sediment is in the process of overturning the centuries-old snobbery with which mainland Italian connoisseurs have regarded the rustic wines of Sardinia. The world's largest wine producer has discovered that it owes a massive debt to the island's growers.

Dutch and Italian archaeologists digging in the fertile Sardara hills north of Sardinia's capital Cagliari said yesterday that they had discovered grape pips and sediment dating to 1,200BC. Sardinia, it seems, may be the cradle of European wine culture.

DNA tests on the grape remains are being carried out by researchers at Milan's Bicocca and State universities to try to determine if the vines were imported from other ancient winegrowing regions or were a local variety.

"If the latter is the case we will have to rewrite the history of the origins of wine," said Massimo Labra, a researcher on the project. It had been thought that the region's earliest wines were imported from Mesopotamia, but the latest research appears about to shatter that theory.

"The hypothesis we are trying to prove is not only that the most ancient wine in the Mediterranean was produced in Sardinia but also that vines were cultivated on the island at the time that civilisation exploded into life in Mesopotamia and then in Egypt," Mr Labra said. "Preliminary analysis carried out on Sardinian vines to trace their genes will be compared with the data that one can extrapolate from analysis of ancient grape seed to see if there are affinities with wild Sardinian vines born on the island."

The excavations are being conducted by archaeologists and botanists from Italy and the Netherlands working with agricultural experts from Cagliari. An earlier study has already shown that the cannonau variety of Sardinian grape thought to have been imported from Spain was native to the island.

"It was thought that this grape was Iberian, imported from Spain toward the end of the medieval period," Fabrizio Grassi, of Milan's state university, told the Corriere della Sera newspaper. "Instead, analysis that has been carried out in Spain shows a very high probability that cannonau could be the Mediterranean's oldest wine."

Italian connoisseurs and wine critics customarily praise the established wines of the northern regions of Piedmont, Lombardy, the Veneto and Liguria. They have tended to look down their noses at the often rough and powerful wines of Sardinia.

For Sardinians, it has just been another example of what they see as mainland prejudice. Theirs is an island noted in the eyes of many Italians simply for its fierce soldiers, who helped to forge the Genoese empire in the 11th and 12th centuries, and for its tough shepherd bandits, who ran a thriving kidnapping business from around the town of Nuoro until the late 1980s.

The theme of prejudice against Sardinians and Sardinian culture and language on the Italian mainland was explored in the classic film dir-ected by the Taviani brothers, Padre Padrone which depicted the struggle of a young Sardinian to escape from a harsh, inward-looking sheep-farming existence.

But the report in the Corriere, a newspaper often considered by southern Italians to be the epitome of northern snobbery, acknowledged in its headline that "two discoveries in Sardinia could change the history of the grape".

Proud Sardinian producers already are taking steps to preserve their newly discovered heritage. A summit of the island's principal producers and agronomists was recently held at which it was decided to eschew use of any imported vines, the Milan daily reported.

"The genesis of cannonau must be preserved," said the co-operative's director, Tattanu Piras. "We are launching a plan to renew our vineyards selecting only local plants."

The digs disclosed hundreds of examples of the 3,200-year-old grape seed planted near ancient vases and urns that the archaeologists unearthed at Sardara, on sites at Villano- vafranca on the rugged island's Campidano plain, and at Borore, in central Sardinia.

The ancient grape pips are poorly conserved, so the researchers have adopted a special technique to unravel their genetic history. "We have developed a biomolecular platform, that is a series of machines linked to each other, to extract the DNA of the vines," Mr Labra explained.

[sisinni pabi]

'Ta sceda bella chi s'has torrau oi, o Lutzianu!
Un'ota mi fiat accuntessiu de tastai su "Granacha tinto" e su "Grenache noir" ma, mi dispraxit po custus, cun d'una perra 'e proceddu arrostiu, su chi si ddoi coiat mellus est su Cannonau cosa nostu (beneita siast Jerzu!).
E ... immoi, it'est su chi teneis 'e si nai bosaterus chi andais a tastai su 'inu perilloi e perillai?! Si custa sceda no est brulla ma est diaderus, cumenti heis a fai a acrarai ca, incapas, su "Granacha tinto" e su "Grenache noir" sunt fillus burdus de su Cannonau? Tocat a fai festa, custa sceda 'olit buffada!

Adiosu.

[Lutzianu]

Salude Perantoni, no est una brulla, d'ischis puitte: d'appo azzapau in su e s'independent ki est su jornale prus seriu ki du est in inghilterra (or is just pretending to be).

Si custu est beru chere narre ki totu sos libros i suntis istados iscritos a su e s'isotira e su binu in sardinia deppente esse iscavulaus...(po brulla, no de aberu, ca sos libros no si iscavulana)

deo seo apparizande unu custu logu web: www.vinsardo.com
pro como seo frimu si calicunu mi chered azzudare.....

su ki cherio fagher est unu "portaleddu" cun arrrejonadas cun sos meres de sas siendas e espertos (enologi, sommelier)

un atteru logu ki cherio fraigare in su logu web est su sas "arrecensiduras", si eis assazau cracchi binu sardu ki si est pracchiu: iscriimidu....

salude e trigu

L

[sisinni pabi]

Originally posted by Lutzianu
Salude Perantoni, no est una brulla, d'ischis puitte: d'appo azzapau in su e s'independent ki est su jornale prus seriu ki du est in inghilterra (or is just pretending to be).

Si custu est beru chere narre ki totu sos libros i suntis istados iscritos a su e s'isotira e su binu in sardinia deppente esse iscavulaus...(po brulla, no de aberu, ca sos libros no si iscavulana)

deo seo apparizande unu custu logu web: www.vinsardo.com
pro como seo frimu si calicunu mi chered azzudare.....

su ki cherio fagher est unu "portaleddu" cun arrrejonadas cun sos meres de sas siendas e espertos (enologi, sommelier)

un atteru logu ki cherio fraigare in su logu web est su sas "arrecensiduras", si eis assazau cracchi binu sardu ki si est pracchiu: iscriimidu....

salude e trigu

L

Saludi Lutzianu, saludi a totus,

Hapu 'onau una castiadedda (dd'hapu potziu fai oi vetti poita ca seu tirau cument''e chi sia tirau de is canis e de tempus 'ndi tengiu pagu) a su logu web cosa tuu de su 'inu sardu e, mi parit traballu fattu beni meda. Poita intre is sermentus sardus, no ddoi has postu a su Cagnulari puru? Custu 'inu (a Usini ddu sciint fai bellu meda, balla!) est connotu pagu ma, papendisì un'arrogu 'e casu moddi o un'unconi de arrescottu de brebei, est cosa de no crei su prexei chi ti 'onada unu tziccheddu de cussu 'inu. Unu cuntzillu chi t'hia a boli' 'onai (mi parit perou chi no 'ndi tengiast abbisongiu) est de iscrì sempiri candu chistionas de su sermentu e de su 'inu, sa calidadi de sa terra, cumenti benit traballau su sermentu (a mattixedda antiga, a carriadroxa, a umbragu). Ateras cosas de nai, candu si chistionat de unu 'inu est chi si scipiat si po mod''e nai est totu cannonau su chi buffaus o est amesturau cun ateras axias (es. carignanu). Deu, po ti nai sa beridadi, si depu comporai unu pagheddu de cannonau, depu scì si est cannonau vetti e sceberu su chi hant traballau a mattixedda, poita ca is tronis pigant su soli de candu obrescit a candu scurigat e is pibionis sunt prus mannus e pruppudus de cussus chi traballant a carridroxa(no chistioneus de cussus chi aquant su sermentu a stiddius). Torrasì sceda de su traballu chi megas 'e fai.

Adiosu.

[Perdu]

Originally posted by Lutzianu
Salude Perantoni, no est una brulla, d'ischis puitte: d'appo azzapau in su e s'independent ki est su jornale prus seriu ki du est in inghilterra (or is just pretending to be).

Si custu est beru chere narre ki totu sos libros i suntis istados iscritos a su e s'isotira e su binu in sardinia deppente esse iscavulaus...(po brulla, no de aberu, ca sos libros no si iscavulana)

deo seo apparizande unu custu logu web: www.vinsardo.com
pro como seo frimu si calicunu mi chered azzudare.....

su ki cherio fagher est unu "portaleddu" cun arrrejonadas cun sos meres de sas siendas e espertos (enologi, sommelier)

un atteru logu ki cherio fraigare in su logu web est su sas "arrecensiduras", si eis assazau cracchi binu sardu ki si est pracchiu: iscriimidu....

salude e trigu

L

vinsardo??? e poita no binsardu????

ki bolis deu ti bortu totu su jassu in sardu, ki no inghitzaus nosu cun su bilinguismu, kini depit inghitzai???

[Lutzianu]

Originally posted by Perdu
vinsardo??? e poita no binsardu????

ki bolis deu ti bortu totu su jassu in sardu, ki no inghitzaus nosu cun su bilinguismu, kini depit inghitzai???

Salude Zente,

arrespondo prima a Perdu: Vin Sardo puitte mi sonaida menzus ka cherio ki su logu web fessede istadu abbaidau prus de sos italianos....

In Sardinia, mi dispiaghet a du narre sa cultura de su binu in ampulla e de aberu atesu de s'europa.... est unu peccau puitte faimos binos bonos ma creimos ki su binu ki no est "fatui in domo no est bonu" ca est meighinau.....
tando custu vinsardo est unu nomini commerciale.

po du tramunare in sardu ti naro gratzias...sa setzione de s'istoria ada depe cambiare meda a pustis de s'iscoberta de a susu....

su ki est de impotru in sa tramunare est no du faere a "sa littera" ka puitte si nono non si torrada su sensu....

aio penzau de tramunare in sardu finzas sos numenes de sos armentos ma non dos connosco totus....

Vernacia = granaza
Malvasia = ????


pro Perantoni : ti naro gratzias a pro aer abbaidau su logu web....

Pro su Cagnulari (ki connosco bene e mi agrada puru) du est una tirria in cursu puitte calicunu mi narada ki est su matessi de
"lu cronarju" calicunu atteru nono comuncas dischis ite ti nazzo ? custu merì ke du ponzo... pois amos a biere...

pro sas atteras cosas prus a de nanti ke du appo a ponne pro como seo fraigande su database de sas siandas...

si tue cheres iscriere cracchi articuleddu in su logu web naramiddu no du a probelmas.. cosas tipu arrcensiduras etz....

[Lutzianu]

Originally posted by PERANTONI
Saludi Lutzianu, saludi a totus,

Hapu 'onau una castiadedda (dd'hapu potziu fai oi vetti poita ca seu tirau cument''e chi sia tirau de is canis e de tempus 'ndi tengiu pagu) a su logu web cosa tuu de su 'inu sardu e, mi parit traballu fattu beni meda. Poita intre is sermentus sardus, no ddoi has postu a su Cagnulari puru? Custu 'inu (a Usini ddu sciint fai bellu meda, balla!) est connotu pagu ma, papendisì un'arrogu 'e casu moddi o un'unconi de arrescottu de brebei, est cosa de no crei su prexei chi ti 'onada unu tziccheddu de cussu 'inu. Unu cuntzillu chi t'hia a boli' 'onai (mi parit perou chi no 'ndi tengiast abbisongiu) est de iscrì sempiri candu chistionas de su sermentu e de su 'inu, sa calidadi de sa terra, cumenti benit traballau su sermentu (a mattixedda antiga, a carriadroxa, a umbragu). Ateras cosas de nai, candu si chistionat de unu 'inu est chi si scipiat si po mod''e nai est totu cannonau su chi buffaus o est amesturau cun ateras axias (es. carignanu). Deu, po ti nai sa beridadi, si depu comporai unu pagheddu de cannonau, depu scì si est cannonau vetti e sceberu su chi hant traballau a mattixedda, poita ca is tronis pigant su soli de candu obrescit a candu scurigat e is pibionis sunt prus mannus e pruppudus de cussus chi traballant a carridroxa(no chistioneus de cussus chi aquant su sermentu a stiddius). Torrasì sceda de su traballu chi megas 'e fai.

Adiosu.

Su de Cherchi est su Cagnulari de Usini ?

Cussu tziu faghe bonu fintzas su biancu....

[Perdu]

Originally posted by Lutzianu
Salude Zente,

arrespondo prima a Perdu: Vin Sardo puitte mi sonaida menzus ka cherio ki su logu web fessede istadu abbaidau prus de sos italianos....

In Sardinia, mi dispiaghet a du narre sa cultura de su binu in ampulla e de aberu atesu de s'europa.... est unu peccau puitte faimos binos bonos ma creimos ki su binu ki no est "fatui in domo no est bonu" ca est meighinau.....
tando custu vinsardo est unu nomini commerciale.

po du tramunare in sardu ti naro gratzias...sa setzione de s'istoria ada depe cambiare meda a pustis de s'iscoberta de a susu....

su ki est de impotru in sa tramunare est no du faere a "sa littera" ka puitte si nono non si torrada su sensu....

aio penzau de tramunare in sardu finzas sos numenes de sos armentos ma non dos connosco totus....

Vernacia = granaza
Malvasia = ????

tui mandami' totu su jassu e deu ti du bortu in sardu, po is nòminis de is calidadis de binu, feus una circa manna!

[Lutzianu]

Originally posted by Perdu
tui mandami' totu su jassu e deu ti du bortu in sardu, po is nòminis de is calidadis de binu, feus una circa manna!

Eja, como seo criccande novas a su e s'iscoberta de s'istoria e su binu in sardinia....


pro Perantoni : appo postu su cagnulari in su logu web...

salude

L

[sisinni pabi]

Originally posted by Lutzianu
Su de Cherchi est su Cagnulari de Usini ?

Cussu tziu faghe bonu fintzas su biancu....

Eia, Tiu Zuanne Maria Cherchi e is parentis suus.

Saludi