Secessione!

[Tahoeman]

E' già da un po di tempo che in California se ne parla...

[Fenris]

Da dove viene quest'idea?

[Liberale]

In Origine Postato da Tahoeman


E' già da un po di tempo che in California se ne parla...

Mi sembra una cavolata enorme.
Dividere gli Stati fra i conservatori repubblicani e gli pseudo-liberal democratici. Perché un repubblicano ha vinto a mani basse le elezioni bisogna fare tutto questo chiasso. Poi cosa porta in dote ora la California? Un deficit spaventoso. Inoltre sbaglio o anche lì è stato eletto un governatore repubblicano? Vi immagine Schwarzneger chiedere la secessione a Bush...
Vuol dire non capire niente della politica americana e la sua forte coesione. Mica siamo in Italia. Lì si sentono americani dal Massachusetts fino alla California al 110%.

[Tahoeman]

In Origine Postato da Fenris
Da dove viene quest'idea?

Alla base di tutto c'è la volontà di alcuni di creare uno stato indipendente sulla costa ovest.
E' un'idea un po' ricorrente, dovuta sia a fattori economici che culturali.

Copio e incollo:


Democracy and the United States - two words that go together like bacon and eggs, Seattle and rain, and high school dates and wet palms. Yet democracy, the best form of government discovered thus far, works poorly in huge, political units. This has become more apparent as the U.S. expands in both size and population.
Democracy must take into account most all interests, but this is difficult when nearly 250 million people require representing. Naturally, different areas of the country have different interests, and in a fair world they would all be addressed. But the world is not fair, and many regions' interests are either neglected or put on the back burner.

The Pacific Northwest rates pretty low on Washington, D.C.'s priority list. Despite Microsoft and Starbucks, we're still that "state up there" and when people think West Coast they think California. There are even those who believe Washington and Oregon are Canadian provinces.

The Pacific Northwest has its own special and unique cultural identity. We are largely reform-minded, open to changes that other sections of the nation abhor. Oregon passed a euthanasia law. Washington elected the first Asian-American governor, and the Christian Coalition scares the begeebers out of atheists and the devout alike.

We live in a scenic environment that fosters arts from painting to drama. There is a wonderful mentality of live and let live, unlike the uptight and more Classical societies of the East and South. But our views are hindered and outweighed by other regions' views and by a bloated government gone wrong.

So we come to our problem - what to do? The answer is radical, and easily dismissed. But I ask you to think about it and give time for the sense to come in. The U.S. is simply too big, and it is time we solved our problems without eastern interference. In a nation whose president can be brought down by oral sex, the Pacific Northwest should not be tied to a decedent and puritanical nation.

We must go our own way, make our own path, free our society. In short, we must secede.

Before you flip the page and deem me a militiaman, wait just a second. This hypothetical secession movement would be a mass movement, not dominated by any splinter, fringe wacko group. Moderates, Liberals, Conservatives, Socialists, Libertarians or others would forge the road to independence.

This new nation could potentially consist of vast and rich land, taking in northern California, Oregon, Washington and perhaps even British Columbia. Canada, after all, is closer to falling apart than the U.S.

The new nation of "Pacifica" would better represent the people's interests and wishes because it would be a smaller democracy. There would be democratic and sensible change - change that cannot be achieved at the cluttered and obtuse national stage.

Pacifica's capitol would likely be Seattle, already a center of culture and commerce. Conservatives would be happy that a smaller, more localized government would result in Pacifica. Liberals would be happy. A smaller nation would allow better discussion of reform issues blocked by regional foes in D.C.

Workers' rights, women's rights and the environment would be better dealt with by those who live here. Don't worry about an economic recession. Pacifica would lose U.S. aid surely, but the trillions of dollars of debt would go as well.

Additionally, this region has the economic clout to do well by itself. Microsoft, Boeing and other technology corporations produce indispensable items, and that's just in the Seattle area alone. Trade with the Pacific Rim is abundant, and eastern Washington and Oregon have plenty of space for growing food. By forming our own nation, we could build on the U.S.'s precedent, but consider a few changes:

1. We need a clear separation of church and state. I used to think the U.S. had this. But after seeing the Senate pass legislation to allow the public posting of the 10 Commandments in schools and hearing Sen. Trent Lott say homosexuality is bad because the Bible tells him so, I'm not so sure.

2. Bilingual education is also important. Practically every country besides the U.S. has this. Learning another language from a young age has enormous benefits when studying, understanding and working abroad in another culture. Fluency in German or Japanese by the ninth grade is a good testament of a nation's commitment to learning about and respecting other cultures.

3. We would also need an endowment for the arts. Pacifica would have a big chunk of money dedicated to poetry, drama, art, cultural studies, etc. Such things could also be national events. Consider the Ashland Shakespearean festival times 10.

4. Little money should be spent on a military. Let the U.S. be the policeman of the world. Pacifica would be a nice, neutral country. We'd have a force suitable for defending our borders, but could accept not blowing up the world 12 times over.

5. Lots of money should be spent on education. More teachers, higher wages for professors and teachers, and lower tuition for students are all attainable. (Besides, what else are we going to do with all that money we save from building bombs anyway?)

Sure, a lot of these proposals are idealistic, but they make sense. Unfortunately, right now regional sense gets lost in a continent-spanning democracy. Pacifica would be a new world - a democracy whose system wouldn't make the average citizen feel like a worthless number.

People are waiting for a new idea and movement to give them something they can believe in again. Pacifica may be such a movement. Is the idea of Northwest secession far-fetched, improbable? Yes. But then again, once upon a time 13 colonies tried to break away from the mightiest empire in the world. They succeeded by force of arms, we can succeed with a state referendum.

[Tahoeman]

In Origine Postato da Liberale
Mi sembra una cavolata enorme.
Dividere gli Stati fra i conservatori repubblicani e gli pseudo-liberal democratici. Perché un repubblicano ha vinto a mani basse le elezioni bisogna fare tutto questo chiasso. Poi cosa porta in dote ora la California? Un deficit spaventoso. Inoltre sbaglio o anche lì è stato eletto un governatore repubblicano? Vi immagine Schwarzneger chiedere la secessione a Bush...
Vuol dire non capire niente della politica americana e la sua forte coesione. Mica siamo in Italia. Lì si sentono americani dal Massachusetts fino alla California al 110%.

La California, assieme al Nord Est, è il cuore economico e culturale degli USA, quindi taci per favore.

[Tahoeman]

In Origine Postato da Dragonball

Come ti senti a fare la parte del terrone?

[asburgico]

In Origine Postato da Tahoeman

E' già da un po di tempo che in California se ne parla...

Mi risulta che l'attuale governatore della California sia repubblicano e che Kerry abbia superato Bush di soli 9 punti percentuali.

[Tahoeman]

In Origine Postato da asburgico
Mi risulta che l'attuale governatore della California sia repubblicano e che Kerry abbia superato Bush di soli 9 punti percentuali.

E allora?
Hanno scelto Arnold, ma Arnold non ha niente in comune con i Born Again Christians o con i Neocon.

Mi risulta comunque che la lega sia nell'intorno del 5%.

[asburgico]

In Origine Postato da Tahoeman
Mi risulta comunque che la lega sia nell'intorno del 5%.

Sì, purtroppo.

[Dragonball (POL)]

In Origine Postato da Tahoeman
Mi risulta comunque che la lega sia nell'intorno del 5%.

A me risulta anche che in alcune provincie tra le + industrializzate del Nord,viaggi tra il 30 e il 40%.