Napul'e reddit

[Mr]

Visto che da un po' di tempo no nsi parla piu' di napoletani, ho deciso di provvedere personalmente con un nuovo succoso thread.

Leggo da diverso tempo un sito di "giornalismo collettivo" americano ( wwww.reddit.com ) nel quale vengono riportate e votate notizie e informazioni varie che vanno a formare una "prima pagina" in continua evoluzione a seconda delle preferenze dei lettori. Epperdunque indi ecco, in un anno di partecipazione oggi per la prima volta si e' parlato di Italia, e per le precisione di Nabbbule e munnezza.

A sentire gli americani e i loro giudizi, sembrano molto piu' antiterroni e polentoni loro che non le guardie padane della Lega Nord.

Articolo originale su The First Post
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=7092

Thread di commenti su reddit:
http://reddit.com/info/1y1jw/comments


I commenti piu' significativi degli americani:


" I was in Napoli for the first time about a year ago... and let me tell you this is the beginning of their problems... tip of the iceberg. Biggest shithole of a city I've ever seen. And I've seen plenty of real shitholes right here in the USA"

"Well, rather than just bashing them, would you elaborate on why you think this?"

"Trash everywhere, pollution and dirt and graffiti and general decay everywhere. Terrible stench. A travel companion got robbed in the 5 minutes we were in the train station."

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"They need to take some advice from Japan, who has no landfills. What is the government doing about this?"



"Taking bribes. Or, the less dishonest ones: forming committees to explore the possibilities involved in creating a permanent and workable solution that will provide an equitable resolution to the problem provided that a group can be formed to include the opinions of everyone involved, enabling them to have a voice in the discussion that will be tabled to consider the opportunities that were created by the legislation drafted in aid of expediting a workable compromise.
That's a slight exageration, but not much. I've read stuff by politicians in newspapers that didn't seem far off. Italian politicians are very given to saying nothing through the use of lots of blah blah blah (far, far worse than english speaking ones - who at least usually have some sort of discernable position on things)."

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A: "It's cyclical. It's been like this for years and once they solve the crisis it'll happen again.
We've been waiting for an eruption of the Vesuvium to wipe out Naples for good for the past 50 years, maybe eventually the trash will do the job."

B: "Are you Italian? If so, that's a shameful thing to say. My family is from Napoli and it has the one of the most richest history in the world. It's not the people's fault, it's the government's fault for not tackling the issue. Napoli and the rest of southern Italy is the best part of Italy to visit. It's cheap, the food is better and the people are nicer too. Sure there are pick-pockets, but they are in the north as well. When I went to Italy last December, I purposely skipped northern Italy because there is nothing there. Mezzogiorno (South Italy) has the real Italian culture! This is really sad for Napoli, because it is one of the most beautiful areas in Italy, including the nearby Amalfi Coast and Sorrento."

C: "Italy is beautiful from "head to toe" - from the Dolomites to the southern shores of Sicily, it's hard to find any place more packed with both natural and man made beauty.
That said, to paraphrase, "everone has the government that they deserve", and that goes for the southern italians(*) too, who, despite producing quite a lot of bright people, hard workers, and having a wonderful climate and a rich culture have a system so rife with corruption and decay that the aforementioned bright/good workers get the hell out if they want to make something of their lives. Presumably that is why your family is from Naples, but you aren't. It's all quite sad, but in the end, things won't change unless the people there get sick of living amidst piles of shit, both literally and figuratively.
(*) Lord knows, northern Italy is bad enough in terms of politics, but it sort of staggers on. The south is severely screwed up."



B: "It doesn't help when all the rich people and politicians are northern. Some southerners may have dug themselves a hole, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated like shit. Southerners are old fashioned and don't understand politics - all they know is how to cook and eat well. There needs to be a big commitment to tackle this because it cannot go on. The Camorra mafia needs to be sorted out as they literally control some whole towns around Napoli - but even that is a problem because northern politicians are working with them."

C: " The rich people are northern because:

1. They work
2. No one steals what they produce (or at least quite as much), which is what happens if you work a lot in the south.

It's not like the southerners lack brains or abilities or anything - far from it - they're generally quite successful when removed from that environment. They need to face the facts that change won't come from the government or some other saviour, but only when they want it."



A (rispondendo al primo messaggio di B): " Naples was described exactly in the same terms as today's three hundred years ago. Leopardi's definition of Naples (in the early eighteen-hundreds) as "a Paradise inhabited by Devils" pretty much gives it away. I don't see how "the government" could be the cause of a centuries-old problem.
If anything, the 'government' has helped in the decades southern Italy not to collapse completely as en economy, thanks to tax transfers from the industralised North to the South of such proportions that in America would trigger a second civil war in fifteen minutes (in the city of Milan, for every 100 euros of taxes paid, roughly 60 are returned by the government as services; in Naples for every 100 euros of taxes paid the government returns more than 500). The last industrial development plan (the last of many, similar plans) approved a few months ago and worth about 110bln of euros – more than 10% of our GDP – has seen more than 80 billions of euros directed to the South. The OECD has been complaining that our efforts for the development of Africa are not sufficient; maybe they don't see that we already have a piece of Africa to maintain at home.
When you went to Italy last december you purposely skipped Northern Italy because your family's stereotypes made you completely oblivious of what it is, of what it represents and of how - not just today but in the centuries - has had more political and artistic influence than then the South (that we anyway must thank for giving the possibility to Mario Puzo and F.F. Coppola to write and direct the Godfather).
And yes, once again, it's not everybody, Naples does produce incredibly humane, smart, lively and genial individuals at an amazing rate, especially considering most people's living conditions, but this is no excuse for all the rest."

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"They are blaming the Camorra. Now you know why northern Italy thinks southern Italy sucks--because it does."

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Well if somebody's nipples are coated with excrement, perhaps they should stop complaining about it and get some soap and a wet washcloth! Honestly, it's really not that difficult to...Oh, that's "Naples"? Nevermind!

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"wow gj europe, why don't you talk trash about America now. LOL their city is controlled by the mafia and the government can't do anything about it, it looks like a fucking 3rd world country. Fucking pathetic"

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e in fine il capolavoro apologetico di un terun che in dieci righe riesce a condensare 1) pizza 2) calcio e il napoli in serie A 3) 'o shtato che non agisce e non manda aiuti 4) "o Sole mio" e "Torna a Surriento"

Naples is back in serie A! anyone notice that the team with the most passionate supporters of the world is back to where they belong.
I live in the center of Naples, the pictures you've seen refer to outskirts, in some places in the center there are piles but not that drammatic as the pic.
The guilt is of the government(not of the neapolitans) that does not send aid, also outside the city some burners have closed .
It is easy to throw shame on someone/something whithout knowing the causes.
As for the diffrences between North and South: Italy is known for spaghetti and tomato, pizza, and the famous songs likeO'sole mio, torna a surriento, Anema e core(all of them actually sang in slang) all Neapolitan, by the way Naples is also known for making the best coffee and cappuccino in italy.
And by the way....we invented PIZZA as the historical court of San Francisco gave us the Paternity of this dish

[Strangolatore di Dresda]

(in the city of Milan, for every 100 euros of taxes paid, roughly 60 are returned by the government as services; in Naples for every 100 euros of taxes paid the government returns more than 500)

Va be, le cazzate si sprecano...spero solo non l'abbia scritta tu

Detto questo, mi sembra evidente che:

1) Nabbule faccia schifo, sia dal punto di vista architettonico che (soprattutto) umano
2) non è che i cittadini non abbiano alcun tipo di colpa nella situazione della città
3) non mi risulta che il problema monnezza, così come quello camorra, siano risolvibili dai cittadini

So what?

[pensiero]

Visto che da un po' di tempo no nsi parla piu' di napoletani, ho deciso di provvedere personalmente con un nuovo succoso thread.

so che l'hai voluto dedicare a blob il quale ti ringrazierà sentitamente, per quanto riguarda parlare di napuletani, beh...sul principale si parla spesso di meridione, ma guarda caso poi si va sempre finire dai napuletani

[blob21]

io veramente non ci leggo nessun giudizio razzista.C'è solo un giudizio negativo,ed è anche comprensibile visto che uno di loro è stato derubato.
Per un giudizio così ce ne sono centinaia di giudizi positivi da parte dei turisti sul giornale.
In genere ne parlano bene tutti i turisti tranne chi viene scippato..

[blob21]

PORTO NAPOLI, +139% CROCIERISTI DA 2000 A 2006
E' stato del 139% l'aumento dei crocieristi in transito dal porto di Napoli fra il 2000 e il 2006. Per il 2007 si prevede nello scalo campano un transito di un milione e 300 crocieristi
CAMPANIA:BOOM DI PRENOTAZIONI NEI B&B DELLA REGIONE
E’ boom di prenotazioni per le strutture ricettive extralberghiere della Campania per il periodo pasquale. Il tutto esaurito è registrato già da alcune settimane per b&b e dimore dell’isola di Capri , Penisola Sorrentina, Costiera Amalfitana e Cilento. Un trend positivo anche per le maggiori città d’arte, almeno l’80% delle strutture a Napoli hanno ricevuto prenotazioni
Presenze per nazionalità - 2004


Nonostante il lieve cambiamento di mix le città d’arte minori sono sempre caratterizzate da una preponderanza di visitatori italiani mentre le grandi città vedono il prevalere di turisti stranieri


Fonte: Osservatorio IULM sul turismo culturale


Un confronto tra grandi città e città d’arte minori





Il maggior incremento di presenze straniere nel periodo 2004-2005 è registrato da Napoli (+88%) seguita da Venezia (+15%) e Milano (+12%).


Fonte: Osservatorio IULM sul turismo culturale


Un confronto tra grandi città e città d’arte minori

[Amalie]

Va be, le cazzate si sprecano...spero solo non l'abbia scritta tu

Detto questo, mi sembra evidente che:

1) Nabbule faccia schifo, sia dal punto di vista architettonico che (soprattutto) umano
2) non è che i cittadini non abbiano alcun tipo di colpa nella situazione della città
3) non mi risulta che il problema monnezza, così come quello camorra, siano risolvibili dai cittadini

So what?

quoto in toto

[blob21]

As for the diffrences between North and South: Italy is known for spaghetti and tomato, pizza, and the famous songs likeO'sole mio, torna a surriento, Anema e core(all of them actually sang in slang) all Neapolitan, by the way Naples is also known for making the best coffee and cappuccino in italy.
And by the way....we invented PIZZA as the historical court of San Francisco gave us the Paternity of this dish

e Pulcinella non ce lo mettiamo?

[Amalie]

io veramente non ci leggo nessun giudizio razzista.C'è solo un giudizio negativo,ed è anche comprensibile visto che uno di loro è stato derubato.
Per un giudizio così ce ne sono centinaia di giudizi positivi da parte dei turisti sul giornale.
In genere ne parlano bene tutti i turisti tranne chi viene scippato..

secondo me ne parlano bene solo perchè non ci vivono stabilmente nel senso che quando ci vanno a Napule alloggiano nei migliori alberghi serviti , riveriti e visitano i posti piu' belli

[blob21]

secondo me ne parlano bene solo perchè non ci vivono stabilmente nel senso che quando ci vanno a Napule alloggiano nei migliori alberghi serviti , riveriti e visitano i posti piu' belli

perchè in genere i turisti in qualsiasi posto del mondo cosa visitano?i posti più brutti e malfamati?

[Amalie]

perchè in genere i turisti in qualsiasi posto del mondo cosa visitano?i posti più brutti e malfamati?

appunto per questo non sono i giudizi dei turisti i piu' attendibili!