E questa sarebbe una donna?

[yota71]

In Origine Postato da pietro
a meno di non trasformare l'intero mondo in una dittatura americana

E proprio questo il loro obiettivo..non si è ancora compreso?

In quel caso sono pronto a difendermi

[Pablo]

me lo auguro che non finisca nel dimenticatoio

[pietro]

In Origine Postato da yota71
Non credo proprio, non si stupiscano se poi gli americani fanno gli gnorri cominciano a partire degli altri attentati, se vogliono vivere in pace toccherà punirli e io in questo caso sono fiducioso

Bush Backs Rumsfeld in Prison Abuse Case

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By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) says Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld will stay in his post despite the abusive treatment of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. military personnel, but Democrats are clamoring for his resignation and key Senate Republicans want to hear from the man himself.



"At this point in time I do not have any loss of confidence in Secretary Rumsfeld," Sen. John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites), said Thursday as a new cache of photographs surfaced and Bush offered an outright apology to the prisoners and their families half a world away.


"We need to get all the facts. We need everybody to just take a deep breath and get all the facts," added Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a senior member of the same panel and himself a former prisoner of war.


Other Republicans expressed concern that military officials knew in January about the abusive and sexually humiliating treatment of prisoners, but did not inform Congress about it or about a subsequent investigative report prepared by a Pentagon (news - web sites) official.


For his part, Rumsfeld stayed out of public view Thursday and spent part of his time looking ahead to Friday's pair of command congressional appearances. "Get it all out. Be open," Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., said he urged the defense secretary in a meeting at the Pentagon.


Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites), meanwhile, said the Justice Department (news - web sites) stood ready to prosecute any civilians or former military personnel suspected of criminal conduct in the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.


Speaking with reporters, Ashcroft would not confirm whether the Defense Department or CIA (news - web sites) had formally referred any individual cases to federal prosecutors for potential charges. But he said there was ample jurisdiction to move against civilian contractors and others, including laws that forbid torture.


"We will follow evidence and act in accordance with evidence," Ashcroft said. "We will take action where appropriate."


The CIA inspector general is investigating three prisoner deaths that may have involved its officers or contract personnel, intelligence officials have said.


Six months before the national election and dogged by persistent violence and rising U.S. casualties in Iraq (news - web sites), Bush was unflinching Thursday in his defense of Rumsfeld.


He "is a really good secretary of defense. Secretary Rumsfeld has served our nation well. Secretary Rumsfeld has been the secretary during two wars. He's an important part of my Cabinet and he'll stay in my Cabinet," the president said during a Rose Garden appearance with Jordan's King Abdullah II.


At the same time, Bush confirmed for reporters that he had expressed his unhappiness with his defense secretary privately earlier in the week. He said he told him that "I should have known about the pictures and the report" done by the Pentagon before they turned up in news reports.


With Bush and lawmakers concerned about the impact of the controversy on America's image around the globe, graphic new photographs surfaced Thursday that served only to compound their worries. One showed a naked prisoner handcuffed to a bed with women's underwear over his head.


In his Rose Garden appearance with Abdullah, Bush shed his customary reluctance to apologize or acknowledge mistakes. "I told him (Abdullah) I was sorry for the humiliation suffered by the Iraqi prisoners and the humiliation suffered by their families," the president said. "I told him I was equally sorry that people who have been seeing those pictures didn't understand the true nature and heart of America."


Bush conceded unprompted that America's reputation had been damaged. "It's a stain on our country's honor and our country's reputation. I fully understand that. And that's why it's important that justice be done," he said.


Democrats, whose relations with Rumsfeld have long been strained, said more than that was required.


Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), battling Bush for the White House, pushed for Rumsfeld's ouster.





"It's the way it was handled," Kerry said on a campaign stop in California. "The lack of information to the Congress, the lack of information to the country, not managing it, not dealing with it, recognizing it as an issue."

"The Pentagon Secretary Rumsfeld oversees has become an island of unaccountability, ignoring the Geneva Conventions, our allies and common sense," added House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi.

Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said Congress should impeach Rumsfeld if he declined to resign and Bush refused to fire him.

With both houses of Congress under Republican control, impeachment wasn't on the agenda, and some Republicans hastened to accuse Democrats of playing politics with the issue.

"They want to win the White House more than they win the war (on terror) and our enemies know it," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.

[yota71]

In Origine Postato da Pablo
me lo auguro che non finisca nel dimenticatoio

Tutti ce lo auguriamo

[yota71]

In Origine Postato da pietro
Bush Backs Rumsfeld in Prison Abuse Case

Si avevo letto che nonstante tutto gli avesse riconfermato la fiducia, però bisogna vedere quando si allarga sta cosa e fino a quando potranno fare gli gnorri

[Jackal]

Io spererei cmq nell'emiro supremo. Vedrai che avrà il tempo
anche per lei, dopo aver sistemato a dovere il Gauleiter Bremer e
quel frugam***a (nero) di K. Annan ...... mentre a quelli (bianchi)
che imperversano sul Principale, dovremmo pensarci noi ...

[pietro]

Non solo per le sue responsabilità personali, piu' che sufficienti, ma per la vergogna e l'umilizaione gettata sugli Usa. Il WP svela che non è stato presentato l'annuale rapporto americano sulla situazione mondiale dei diritti umani, per non prestare l'occasione di altre ironie ed umiliazioni all'Amministrazione. Una democrazia moribonda per merito dei falchi, il WP certifica: NON è una questione di poche mele marce, e che Rumsfeld non puo', eventualmente, essere sostitui to da Wolfowitz, il vice che porta le stesse, atroci, responsabilità.

THE NEW IRAQ CRISIS
Donald Rumsfeld Should Go






There was a moment about a year ago, in the days of "Mission Accomplished," when Donald Rumsfeld looked like a brilliant tactician. American troops — the lean, mean fighting machine Mr. Rumsfeld assembled — swept into Baghdad with a speed that surprised even the most optimistic hawks. It was crystal clear that the Defense Department, not State and certainly not the United Nations, would control the start of nation-building. Mr. Rumsfeld, with his steely grin and tell-it-like-it-is press conferences, was the closest thing to a rock star the Bush cabinet would ever see.

That was then.

It is time now for Mr. Rumsfeld to go, and not only because he bears personal responsibility for the scandal of Abu Ghraib. That would certainly have been enough. The United States has been humiliated to a point where government officials could not release this year's international human rights report this week for fear of being scoffed at by the rest of the world. The reputation of its brave soldiers has been tarred, and the job of its diplomats made immeasurably harder because members of the American military tortured and humiliated Arab prisoners in ways guaranteed to inflame Muslim hearts everywhere. And this abuse was not an isolated event, as we know now and as Mr. Rumsfeld should have known, given the flood of complaints and reports directed to his office over the last year.

The world is waiting now for a sign that President Bush understands the seriousness of what has happened. It needs to be more than his repeated statements that he is sorry the rest of the world does not "understand the true nature and heart of America." Mr. Bush should start showing the state of his own heart by demanding the resignation of his secretary of defense.

This is far from a case of a fine cabinet official undone by the actions of a few obscure bad apples in the military police. Donald Rumsfeld has morphed, over the last two years, from a man of supreme confidence to arrogance, then to almost willful blindness. With the approval of the president, he sent American troops into a place whose nature and dangers he had apparently never bothered to examine.

We now know that no one with any power in the Defense Department had a clue about what the administration was getting the coalition forces into. Mr. Rumsfeld's blithe confidence that he could run his war on the cheap has also seriously harmed the Army and the National Guard.

This page has argued that the United States, having toppled Saddam Hussein, has an obligation to do everything it can to usher in a stable Iraqi government. But the country is not obliged to continue struggling through this quagmire with the secretary of defense who took us into the swamp. Mr. Rumsfeld's second in command, Paul Wolfowitz, is certainly not an acceptable replacement because he was one of the prime architects of the invasion strategy. It is long past time for a new team and new thinking at the Department of Defense.

[FLenzi]

Non credevo che dare della zoccola a quella torturatrice americana fosse una cosa da censurare, visto e considerato che non censurate interventi ben piu' gravi, complimenti per l'atteggiamento filogovernativo che POL sta prendendo, ultimamente mi sono stati censurati diversi interventi senza dirmi ne causa e ne motivo, mi sembra che volgiate iniaizare a limitare la liberta' di espressione anche qui su POL, e vi dico fin da adesso che se cancellate questo post lo ripubblichero' subito dopo, l'unica cosa che potete fare se non vi sta bene e' buttarmi fuori dal forum.

[O'Rei]

In Origine Postato da FLenzi
Non credevo che dare della zoccola a quella torturatrice americana fosse una cosa da censurare, visto e considerato che non censurate interventi ben piu' gravi, complimenti per l'atteggiamento filogovernativo che POL sta prendendo, ultimamente mi sono stati censurati diversi interventi senza dirmi ne causa e ne motivo, mi sembra che volgiate iniaizare a limitare la liberta' di espressione anche qui su POL, e vi dico fin da adesso che se cancellate questo post lo ripubblichero' subito dopo, l'unica cosa che potete fare se non vi sta bene e' buttarmi fuori dal forum.

guarda che sono stato censurato pure io perchè ho fatto una battuta quindi ti conviene non lamentarti troppo.

ma possibile che voi di sinistra siete sempre i più polemici? madooo