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[Amati75]

In Origine Postato da multietnico
e con gli aiuti degli yankees formò alqaeda

Al Quaida si formo nel 1991..... per risposta alle truppe USA nella pensiola Arabica...chiamate dall' Arabia Saudita stessa dopo l'invasione dell' Iraq al Kuwait.

G'aiuti USa, indirettamente arrivarono anche in Afghanistan via Pakistan... ma ripeto, Al Quaida si formo nel 1991.

[Amati75]

In Origine Postato da damps
E come si fa a scappare da te?

Forse per la tua logorrea inconcludente...
forse per il rischio infarto per le troppe risate..
forse per evitare il contagio IGNORANZA..
fose per... pietà umana verso un simile
non allineato con il minimo standard intellettivo.

Sei uscito dal porcile caro DAMPS? T'hanno gia' trasformato in una bella mortadella? Ah a propostio, oggi e' a 1.2198... .


Ciao vignettaro.

[Amati75]

In Origine Postato da ScimmioneNudo
Non ho mica detto che nasce dalla CIA.

Basta solo che qualcuno riconosca che è stata finanziata dalla CIA in lungo e in largo fino al 1998.

E basterebbe informarsi per riconoscerlo.

Aspetto i passi del Corano dove ci sarebbero scritte quelle cose.

Sono sicuro che un intelligentone come te me lo può dire.

Ai plapperi.

Primo.. visto che non hai voluto prender eil mio consiglio di guardatelo da solo il versetto e di mandarmi le scuse per mesaggio privato.. ora lo dovrai fare pubblicamente... mi spiace:

Qur’an 9 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an 89 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an 89 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq24 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
Ishaq00 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”


Qur’an 98 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”


Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

E ora.. che fai? Sparisci di nuovo?

La CIA finanzio Al Qaudia fino al 1998.... strano che Al Quaida sia fra le associazioni Terroristiche implicate nel primo attacco allle torri gemelle.....

[blob21]

In Origine Postato da Amati75
Non e' la mia mentalita' il problema.. evidentemente ancora non la capite.... Ghandi pote' a grandi linee pacificamente puntare all'indipendeza dell' India ed ottenerla, dato che davanti aveva la GB, che fra altro erano decenni che s'interrogava se lasciare andare l'India o meno per la sua strada... noi abbiamo davanti fanatici del Corano, per i quali ne io ne te siamo persone... lo dice il Corano.. non io ne la mia mentalita'... se ancora non l'avete capito sietie voi i primi a dargli l'ossigeno di cui hanno bisogno, del resto come detto Al Quaida nacque ben prima dei neocon alla White House.
Lo sapevi che per un musulmano prima viene la legge coranica e poi la legge umana, quindi un integralista che vive da noi, prima segue la sua legge, poi in caso la nostra.

Tu m'accusi di una cosa.. e sei cieco rispetto ad altre (principali).... tu (voi) si che fai stare tranquilli i terroristi.

Il problema non è il Corano.Il fanatismo è pericoloso quale che sia le religione di riferimento e riguarda una parte minoritaria dei musulmani rispetto alla percentuale di quelli residenti n Italia e perfettamente integrati.
D'altronde ritengo che la teorizzata e applicata guerra preventiva che ha determinato la mattanza in Iraq di civili e l'aumento esponenziale del terrorismo non fosse un'applicazione del principio biblico "occhio per occhio dente per dente"(ma il risultato,cioè il massacro di civili è pressochè identico).Penso che fossero sottese ragioni di diverso tipo che peraltro spiegano la programmazione dell'attacco in Iraq ben antecedente rispetto all'11 settembre.Quindi il problema non è la sottovalutazione del terrorismo,nonostante da parte vostra vi sia la tendenza idiota a ritenere che l'opposizione assoluta alla politica criminale dell'amministrazione conservatrice di Bush costituisca una resa ai terroristi(se non una simpatia per gli stessi).La separazione tra NOI e VOI NON è una distinzione tra chi è responsabile e chi invece ritiene che il terrorismo non sussista,ma tra chi appoggia una politica criminale(quella americana)e chi vi si oppone.Lascia perdere il Corano,che scommetto neanche lo conosci...

[Amati75]

In Origine Postato da damps
Un maiale nei tuoi confronti
è una bestia dall'alto intelletto,
ameba.

Si si... ciao mortadellone.... intanto e' a 1.2188 (dicevi l'altro giorno?)

[Amati75]

In Origine Postato da blob21
Il problema non è il Corano.Il fanatismo è pericoloso quale che sia le religione di riferimento e riguarda una parte minoritaria dei musulmani rispetto alla percentuale di quelli residenti n Italia e perfettamente integrati.
D'altronde ritengo che la teorizzata e applicata guerra preventiva che ha determinato la mattanza in Iraq di civili e l'aumento esponenziale del terrorismo non fosse un'applicazione del principio biblico "occhio per occhio dente per dente"(ma il risultato,cioè il massacro di civili è pressochè identico).Penso che fossero sottese ragioni di diverso tipo che peraltro spiegano la programmazione dell'attacco in Iraq ben antecedente rispetto all'11 settembre.Quindi il problema non è la sottovalutazione del terrorismo,nonostante da parte vostra vi sia la tendenza idiota a ritenere che l'opposizione assoluta alla politica criminale dell'amministrazione conservatrice di Bush costituisca una resa ai terroristi(se non una simpatia per gli stessi).La separazione tra NOI e VOI NON è una distinzione tra chi è responsabile e chi invece ritiene che il terrorismo non sussista,ma tra chi appoggia una politica criminale(quella americana)e chi vi si oppone.Lascia perdere il Corano,che scommetto neanche lo conosci...

TI ripeto.. queli come te sono propio coloro che danno ossigeno al terrosismo.... si io non conoscoil Corano.... tu ovviamente ancora meno.... nel Corano c'e' scritto che agl'infedeli li si deve dar la caccia ed ucciderli ovunque essi siano... v'e' scritto nel corano... non me lo sono invetato io ne Bush....

Tu dici che appoggiouna politcia criminale? Tu appoggi i fnataci terroristi, ma magari incosciamente, ma lo fai gli dai spazion per farlo.. e neanche te ne rendi conto, il che e' propio quello di cui si nutrono, la nostra disattenzione.

Leggti alcuni passo del Corano nei quali s'indica cosa dsi deve fare alg'infedeli (te e me), poi mi dici.

E' vero che vi sono sicurament emilini di musulmani che non prendonoil Corano letteralmente, come del resto noi Cristiani, per la maggiorparte non prendiamo la Bibbia letteralmente, ma purtroppo vi sono migliaia, centinaia di migliaia, milioni (?) di musulmani che lo fanno, e facendolo mettono in pericolo noi, anche se tu non te ne accorgi.

[Amati75]

In Origine Postato da damps
L'altro giorno parlavo con Totila,
ti confondi.

No no.. c'eri anche tu.... ora non fare il finto tonto mortadellone.

[Amati75]

Ma continuamo con i passaggi del Corano ecc..:

Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”

Qur’an 51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’”

Qur’an 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”

Qur’an 72:15 “But the Qasitun (disbelievers) are the firewood of hell.”

Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.” [Another translation says:] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”

Qur’an 5:14 “From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We made a covenant, but they forgot and abandoned a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, stirred up enmity and hatred among them to the Day of Doom. Soon will Allah show them the handiwork they have done.”

Qur’an 4:159 “And there is none of the People of the Book but will believe in him (Jesus as only a messenger of Allah and a human being) before his (Jesus’) death. He will be a witness against them.”

Qur’an 5:77 “Say (Muhammad): ‘People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus.... They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah’s indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity.”

Qur’an 5:80-81 “You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah’s wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide. If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what had been revealed to him.”[/i]

Qur’an 5:73 “They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them—the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.”

Tabari IX:86 “Don’t seduce the Jews or Christians for incumbent on them is to pay the jizyah protection tax.”

Bukhari:V5B59N727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘That is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”

Qur’an 91 “They (Jews and Christians) consider their rabbis and monks to be gods besides Allah. They also took their Lord Messiah to be a god but they were commanded (in the Taurat and Injeel) to worship only One Ilah (God). There is no ilah (god) but He. Too holy is He for the partners they associate (with Him).”

Qur’an 94 “Believers, there are many (Christian) monks and (Jewish) rabbis who in falsehood devour the wealth of mankind and hinder (men) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in Allah’s Cause. (Muhammad) announce unto them tidings of a painful torture. On the Day [of Doom] heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the Fire of Hell. It will be branded on their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs. ‘This is the (treasure) which you hoarded for yourselves: now taste it!’”

Qur’an 2:71 “The semblance of the infidels is one who shouts to one who cannot hear. They are deaf, dumb, and blind. They make no sense.”

Qur’an 80 “If you could have seen the infidels when the angels drew away their souls, striking their faces and smiting their backs. The angels said: ‘Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire.’”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

Qur’an 53 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

Qur’an 89 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

Ishaq:204 “‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’”

Ishaq:471 “We are steadfast trusting Him. We have a Prophet by whom we will conquer all men.”

Qur’an 4:77 “Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?”

Ishaq27 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.’”

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive.”

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Bukhari:V4B52N256 “The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was permissible to attack infidels at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, ‘Their women and children are from them.’”

Ishaq76 “Allah and His servant overwhelmed every coward. Allah honored us and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated them in the worship of Satan. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil. With our loud-voiced army, the Apostle’s squadron advanced into the fray.”

Ishaq80 “Our strong warriors obey his orders to the letter. By us Allah’s religion is undeniably strong. You would think when our horses gallop with bits in their mouths that the sounds of demons are among them. The day we trod down the unbelievers there was no deviation or turning from the Apostle’s order. During the battle the people heard our exhortations to fight and the smashing of skulls by swords that sent heads flying. We severed necks with a warrior’s blow. Often we have left the slain cut to pieces and a widow crying alas over her mutilated husband. ’Tis Allah, not man we seek to please.”

Bukhari:V5B59N401 “Allah’s Wrath became severe on anyone the Prophet killed in Allah’s Cause.”

Tabari VII:144/Ishaq:426 “The Muslims bivouacked for the night and were taken by surprise. So the Muslims took up their swords [not Qur’ans] to fight them, but the Lihyans said, ‘We do not want to kill you. We only want to get some money by selling you to the Meccans. We swear by Allah’s Covenant that we will not kill you.’ ‘By Allah,’ Asim said, ‘we will never accept a an agreement from an unbelieving infidel.’ They fought until they were killed.”

Bukhari V4B52N46 “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘Allah guarantees that He will admit the Muslim fighter into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and booty.’”

Qur’an 4:74 “Let those who fight in the Cause of Allah sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the Cause of Allah, whether he is slain or gets victory—soon shall We give him a great reward.”

Bukhari: V5B59N377 “A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘Can you tell me where I will go if I get martyred?’ The Prophet replied, ‘To Paradise.’ The man fought till he was martyred.”

Tabari VII5 “Allah’s Messenger went out to his men and incited them to fight. He promised, ‘Every man may keep all the booty he takes.’ Then Muhammad said, ‘By Allah, if any man fights today and is killed fighting aggressively, going forward and not retreating, Allah will cause him to enter Paradise.’ Umayr said, ‘Fine, fine. This is excellent! Nothing stands between me and my entering Paradise except to be killed by these people!’ He seized his sword, and fought until he was slain.”

Bukhari:V5B59N379 “When we wrote the Qur’an, I missed one of the verses I used to hear Allah’s Apostle reciting. Then we searched for it and found it. The verse was: ‘Among the Believers are men who have been true to their Covenant with Allah. Of them, some have fulfilled their obligations to Allah (i.e. they have been killed in Allah’s Cause), and some of them are (still) waiting to be killed.’ (Surah 33.23) So we wrote this in its place in the Qur’an.”


Qur’an 3:156 “If you are slain, or die, in Allah’s Cause [as a martyr], pardon from Allah and mercy are far better than all they could amass.”

Ishaq97 “There is no escape from death, so death for Allah’s sake in battle is better than all one can amass in life while holding back from fighting in fear of death. Let not the world deceive you and be not deceived by it. Let fighting and the reward which Allah holds out to you be the most important thing.”

Ishaq:469 “On the day the Qurayza Jews were slain, one Muslim was martyred. A stone was thrown on him and it inflicted a shattering wound. The Apostle said, ‘He will have the reward of two martyrs.’”

Ishaq49 “The battle will tell the world about us. Distant men will heed our warning. The infidels may cut off my leg, yet I am a Muslim. I will exchange my life for one with virgins fashioned like the most beautiful statues.”

Ishaq18 “Masud was one of those who found martyrdom at Khaybar. Muhammad said, ‘He has with him now his two dark-eyed virgins. When a martyr is slain, his two virgins pet him, wiping the dust from his face. They say, “May Allah throw dust on the face of the man who did this to you, and slay him who slew you!”’”

Qur’an 47:4 “But if it had been Allah’s will, He Himself could have exacted retribution and punished them (without your help). But He lets you fight in order to test you. But those who are killed in Allah’s Cause, will never let their deeds go to waste.”

Continuamo?

[ScimmioneNudo]

In Origine Postato da Amati75
Primo.. visto che non hai voluto prender eil mio consiglio di guardatelo da solo il versetto e di mandarmi le scuse per mesaggio privato.. ora lo dovrai fare pubblicamente... mi spiace:
E ora.. che fai? Sparisci di nuovo?

No, apro un bel 3d sul principale.

Così ne parliamo un attimo.

Magari un giorno ci dici se la bibbia parli di uccidere oppure no.

Interessante comunque la tua traduzione.

Ci vediamo sull'altro 3d!

AI plapperi.

[Amati75]

In Origine Postato da damps
Ti ripeto che l'altro giorno parlavo
con Totila... forse ti confondi.

Lo sai che non resisto 2 giorni in fila
a reggere le tue insistenti e inconsistenti
menate.

Oggi me la fate troppo facile..

http://www.politicaonline.net/forum/...0&pagenumber=5

Allora, con chi parlavi?

Ciao mortadellone