Venezuela: la democrazia di Chavez

[Fernando]

http://www.eud.com/2004/11/11/pol_esp_11A506683.shtml
Più di 70 personalità internazionali hanno espresso in una lettera le loro fondate preoccupazioni per la democrazia in Venezuela.
La lettera è stata inviata al Presidente venezuelano Hugo Chavez, al Presidente del Tribunale Supremo ed al Presidente dell'Assemblea Nazionale.
I firmatari:
Morton Abramowitz, destacado miembro de Century Foundation
Mahnaz Afkhami, fundador y presidente, Women's Learning Partnership
Sergio Aguayo, catedrático, El Colegio de México
Madeleine Albright, ex secretaria de Estado estadounidense
Sergio Fernando Araya Alverado, presidente, Colegio Ciencias Políticas y Relaciones Internacionales de Costa Rica
Zainah Anwar, director ejecutivo, Sisters in Islam, Malasia
Bernard Aronson, ex subsecretario de Estado para América Latina y el Caribe (EEUU)
Genaro Arriagada, ex embajador chileno en EEUU
Timothy Garton Ash, destacado profesor e investigador, St. Anthony's College, Oxford, y director del centro de estudios europeos
Ronald Asmus, German Marshall Fund
Dr. Werner Bohler, Fundación Konrad-Adenauer, Alemania
Robert M. Borden, presidente ejecutivo, Bumpers Corporation (Canadá)
Jack Buechner, presidente, Asociación estadounidense de ex miembros del congreso
Emma Bonino, ex comisario de la Unión Europea y ex miembro del Parlamento Europeo (Italia)
William E. Brock, ex senador estadounidense y ex secretario del Trabajo
Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell, ex primer ministro de Canadá
Frank Carlucci , ex asesor de Seguridad Nacional (EEUU)
Violeta Chamorro, ex presidente de Nicaragua
Lorne Craner, presidente, International Republican Institute, y ex subsecretario de Estado para la Democracia, Derechos Humanos y el Trabajo
Michael Danby, miembro del Parlamento, Australia
Gianfranco Dell'Alba, miembro del Parlamento Europeo (Italia)
Larry Diamond, destacado miembro de Hoover Institution and co-editor del Journal of Democracy
Philip Dimitrov, ex primer ministro, Bulgaria
Jorge Domínguez, catedrático, Universidad de Harvard
Thomas R. Donahue, presidente emérito, AFL-CIO
Nicholas Eberstadt, American Enterprise Institute
Peter Eigen, presidente del directorio, Transparency International
Jean Bethke Elshtain, Laura Spelman Rockefeller Professor of Social and Political
Ethics, Universidad de Chicago
Joao Carlos Espada, director, Instituto de Estudios Políticos, Universidad Católica Portuguesa
Francis Fukuyama, Bernard L. Schwartz Professor of International Political
Economy, Paul Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Universidad Johns Hopkins
Richard Goldstone, ex fiscal, Tribunal Penal Internacional para la ex Yugoslavia
Peter Hakim, presidente, Inter-American Dialogue
Vaclav Havel, ex presidente, República Checa
Francois Heisbourg, catedrático francés
Bi-khim Hsiao, miembro del Parlamento, Taiwán
Penn Kemble, destacado miembro de Freedom House
Harvey Klehr, Andrew W. Mellon Professor of Politics and History, Emory University
Stephan Klingelhofer, presidente, International Center for Not-for-Profit Law
Robert LaGamma, Council for a Community of Democracies
Bolívar Lamounier, Augurium Consulting, Brasil
Emb. Luis Lauredo, ex embajador de EEUU, Organización de Estados Americanos
Ulrich Laute, Fundación Konrad-Adenauer, Alemania
John McCain, senador de EEUU
Edward J. McElroy, presidente, Federación Estadounidense de Profesores
Matthew McHugh, ex miembro del Congreso de EEUU
Edward McMillan-Scott, miembro del Parlamento Europeo (Reino Unido)
Sascha Müller-Kraenner, Fundación Heinrich Böll
Ghia Nodia, presidente del directorio, Caucasian Institute for Peace, Democracy and Development, República de Georgia
Janusz Onyszkiewicz, ex ministro de Defensa, Polonia
Marco Pannella, miembro del Parlamento Europeo, (Italia)
Emb. Mark Palmer, vicepresidente del directorio, Freedom House
Robert A. Pastor, director, Center for Democracy and Election Management, American University
Theodore Piccone, Democracy Coalition Project (Estados Unidos)
Surin Pitsuwan, miembro del Parlamento (Tailandia)
James N. Purcell, ex director general, International Organization for Migration
Xiao Qiang, Universidad de California en Berkley, Past Executive Director, Derechos Humanos en China
John Richardson, presidente del directorio, Council for a Community of Democracies
Markus Rosenberger, Fundación Konrad Adenauer, Perú
Richard C. Rowson, Council for a Community of Democracies
John Shattuck, presidente ejecutivo, John F. Kennedy Library Foundation y ex subsecretario de Estado para la Democracia, los Derechos Humanos y el Trabajo
Michael Shifter, vicepresidente de Política, Inter-American Dialogue
Stephen Solarz, ex miembro del Congreso de EEUU
Theodore C. Sorensen, ex asistente especial del presidente John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Strobe Talbott, ex subsecretario de Estado de EEUU
Emb. Terence Todman, ex embajador de EEUU en Argentina, Costa Rica y España
Elisabeth Ungar, Universidad de los Andes (Colombia)
Arturo Valenzuela, director, Center for Latin American Affairs, Georgetown University
Gianni Vernetti, miembro del Parlamento, Italia
Alexandr Vondra, ex vicecanciller, República Checa
Gerhard Wahlers, director de Cooperación Internacional, Fundación Konrad Adenauer
Reinhard Willig, Fundación Konrad Adenauer, Costa Rica
Jennifer Windsor, director ejecutivo, Freedom House
Kenneth Wollack, presidente, National Democratic Institute for International Affairs
Mortimer Zuckerman, jefe de redacción, U.S. News and World Report y New York Daily News

[yurj]

Dal punto di vista democratico, nonostante la situazione calda e tentativi di golpe, con Chavez ci sono stati miglioramenti, e netti.

Chavez ha vinto le competizioni elettorali, esibendo la legalità.

Tralasciando alcuni oscuri personaggi che firmano questo appello, come miss "500 mila bambini iracheni morti valgono la pena" M. Albright, vediamo un pò l'articolo.

Intanto si rivolgono al presidente venezuelano, quindi riconoscendogli piena legittimità e poteri.

Sostanzialmente si lamentano di una legge che controlla i finanziamenti esteri alle ONG, citando due casi, probabilmente a loro vicini.

Non conosco il caso, però da questo articolo:

http://www.aporrea.org/dameverbo.php?docid=16651

si evince che Sumate è finanziata dal dipartimento di stato americano e accusata di aver raccolto firme false pro-referendum:

"Maturín, 18 May. Venpres (Judith González).- El diputado del Partido Para Todos (PPT) a la Asamblea Nacional (AN), Manuel Villalba, denunció que la empresa Súmate está falseando documentos de identidad en la población de San Vicente, usurpando la identidad de un importante número de personas, para ser utilizadas en el proceso de reparo.

"Se ha podido verificar que la empresa Súmate, financiada por el Departamento de Estado Norteamericano, está entregando en San Vicente (populosa parroquia de Maturín) una especie de cédula con la particularidad de que las mismas tienen un número de cédula y nombres que no le corresponde a la persona que se lo entrega, sino que lo único que les corresponde es la foto. Entonces estas personas acudirían a los reparos y se harían pasar por aquellos firmantes que la oposición está consiente no van a ir a reparar", indicó Villalba a Venpres.

A pesar de estas denuncias, Manuel Villalba asegura que lograrán el objetivo trazado en el Comando Ayacucho de retirar el 15% de las firmas validadas contra el presidente Hugo Chávez."

Poi dove stia la verità nessuno lo sa, ma conoscendo Havel e la signora morte...

[yurj]

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=23470

questa news del 17 Novembre parla del processo contro Sumate in Venezuela:

"The independent Attorney General's Office charged Machado and Estevez with conspiracy and violation of Article 132 of the Penal Code in which it is clearly stated that it is illegal to solicit international intervention in domestic politics. They are also charged with setting up a parallel National Elections Council ... which also is illegal according to Venezuelan law."

"Sumate is a non-profit organization founded in 2002. Although its stated goals include promoting, defending, facilitating, and supporting the political rights granted by the 1999 Venezuelan Constitution, it not only helped to set in motion the recall referendum against President Chavez, it also accepted a grant from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), an organization exclusively funded by the US Congress. Given the severity of the charges, a thorough investigation is to be conducted into the exact amount donated by NED, and how Sumate has spent the funds."

Cioè par di capire che sono investigati su come hanno speso i fondi stanziati dal governo americano.

Stranamente avevano accesso ai certificati elettorali:

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MVR wants investigation into Sumate funding, claims it's a parallel CNE

Movimiento Quinta Republica (MVR) National Tactical Command (CTN) has announced that it will ask the Attorney General's Office to open an investigation into Sumate company's funding sources. The company burst on to the national scene in January when it organized 10 simultaneous signature campaigns against the government.

MVR leader, Elias Jaua accuses the company of acting like an electoral institution because of its technical ability to collate and check the voting register. "It's time that Sumate reveals its funding sources and the mechanisms it uses to validate signatures ... we are also asking state security agencies to investigate as well."

Both Sumate directors and foreign correspondents based in Caracas maintain that Sumate is an independent organization but the affirmation is heavily contested by government and some opposition sources, who maintain that Sumate was backing the presidential aspirations of Miranda State Governor Enrique Mendoza.

MVR hierarch, Nicolas Maduro says he agrees with the assessment of Patria Para Todos (PPT) leader, Jose Albornoz that Accion Democratica (AD) is being manipulated by the opposition because AD's real aim, Maduro claims, is to win the 2006 presidential elections and not the recall referendum.

"AD has far more to lose if President Chavez Frias supposedly loses the referendum because they are the second biggest political party and have more State Governors and Mayors than the rest of the opposition that could face a recall referendum, as well as quotas of power inside the National Electoral College (CNE) ... the opposition presidential candidate will not be an Adeco, which means AD will have to put its aim on hold for 8 years."

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http://www.vheadline.com/printer_news.asp?id=21776


The NED is also funding a group -- called Sumate -- that led the signature drive to recall the President of Venezuela. We do not allow foreign financing of electoral campaigns in the United States. Clearly we should not insist on violating the laws of other countries, and their sovereignty and democracy, in ways that we would not permit here.

Our government also undermines democracy in Venezuela by disregarding the rule of law in that country, and encouraging the opposition to do the same. It must be recalled that the Bush administration ... alone in this hemisphere ... initially endorsed the military coup in April 2002.

There was strong circumstantial evidence that our government gave prior approval -- or possibly even more support than this -- in addition to the stepped-up NED funding to opposition groups in the months prior to the coup.

Senator Dodd asked for an investigation, and the State Department's Office of the Inspector General found that "US warnings [to the opposition] �of non-recognition of a coup-installed government, economic actions and other concrete punitive actions were few and far between."

But the (Bush) administration made no attempt to repair relations with the elected government after it was restored. Rather it went on to tacitly endorse the oil strike -- in spite of the fact that it was preparing for a war in the Middle East, likely to reduce oil supplies, at the time. In December 2002 the White House supported the opposition's unconstitutional demand for early elections.

More recently, the Bush administration has made a number of statements that have encouraged the opposition not to respect Constitutional processes. Before the results of the signature gathering process were decided last month, Roger F. Noriega, assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, declared that the "the requisite number of people supported the petition" and warned of "dire consequences" if Venezuela's National Elections Council did not arrive at the same conclusion.

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Infine:

# The NED�s own documents contradict its attempts to classify Súmate as a mere observer or monitor in the recall referendum campaign. In their January 31, 2004 Report to the NED, Súmate explains their use of the project funds to �Train, capacitate and motivate the Municipal Coordinators to create a structural network and to utilize these Municipal Coordinators as instructors to provide technical training in the �Signature Drive� to those Responsible at the Centers of Signature Collection and/or the Signature Counters.�

# The same Sumate report to the NED explains how they developed an �Operations Manual for the Signature Drive� that was �utilized as the foundation to support the design and production of educative material used by the functionaries and volunteers that participated in the collection of signatures at the official centers.� It is hard to imagine that training the designated officials collecting signatures during the drive and providing technical operations manuals and materials to those functionaries in charge of the recall referendum signature drive is merely �observing and monitoring� the process. In fact, Súmate�s own materials clearly indicate that not only are they the primary actors in the recall referendum campaign, but in fact, they are the leaders of this movement.

# The financing of Súmate violates the NED�s own regulations which prohibit financing partisan politics and political campaigns.

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[T34]

In Origine Postato da yurj
Dal punto di vista democratico, nonostante la situazione calda e tentativi di golpe, con Chavez ci sono stati miglioramenti, e netti.

Chavez ha vinto le competizioni elettorali, esibendo la legalità.

Tralasciando alcuni oscuri personaggi che firmano questo appello, come miss "500 mila bambini iracheni morti valgono la pena" M. Albright, vediamo un pò l'articolo.

Intanto si rivolgono al presidente venezuelano, quindi riconoscendogli piena legittimità e poteri.

Sostanzialmente si lamentano di una legge che controlla i finanziamenti esteri alle ONG, citando due casi, probabilmente a loro vicini.

Non conosco il caso, però da questo articolo:

http://www.aporrea.org/dameverbo.php?docid=16651

si evince che Sumate è finanziata dal dipartimento di stato americano e accusata di aver raccolto firme false pro-referendum:

"Maturín, 18 May. Venpres (Judith González).- El diputado del Partido Para Todos (PPT) a la Asamblea Nacional (AN), Manuel Villalba, denunció que la empresa Súmate está falseando documentos de identidad en la población de San Vicente, usurpando la identidad de un importante número de personas, para ser utilizadas en el proceso de reparo.

"Se ha podido verificar que la empresa Súmate, financiada por el Departamento de Estado Norteamericano, está entregando en San Vicente (populosa parroquia de Maturín) una especie de cédula con la particularidad de que las mismas tienen un número de cédula y nombres que no le corresponde a la persona que se lo entrega, sino que lo único que les corresponde es la foto. Entonces estas personas acudirían a los reparos y se harían pasar por aquellos firmantes que la oposición está consiente no van a ir a reparar", indicó Villalba a Venpres.

A pesar de estas denuncias, Manuel Villalba asegura que lograrán el objetivo trazado en el Comando Ayacucho de retirar el 15% de las firmas validadas contra el presidente Hugo Chávez."

Poi dove stia la verità nessuno lo sa, ma conoscendo Havel e la signora morte...

Ti assicuro che durante la mia permanenza (lavoro) ho sentito solo bestemmie al nome Chavez...
Rimproverano a Chavez la disoccupazione, gli aumenti e la penuria di alcuni generi alimentari come lo zucchero...nonché la vicinanza a Castro che mette in pericolo l'economia del paese a causa delle ritorsioni USA.

[benfy]

chavez è quel che è ma anche le alternative sono quelle che sono.......

[T34]

In Origine Postato da benfy
chavez è quel che è ma anche le alternative sono quelle che sono.......

Sono d'accordo, come in Italia d'altra parte.....

[yurj]

In Origine Postato da T34
Ti assicuro che durante la mia permanenza (lavoro) ho sentito solo bestemmie al nome Chavez...
Rimproverano a Chavez la disoccupazione, gli aumenti e la penuria di alcuni generi alimentari come lo zucchero...nonché la vicinanza a Castro che mette in pericolo l'economia del paese a causa delle ritorsioni USA.

Dipende dall'ambiente lavorativo. Da quando in qua lo zucchero dipende dal governo?

Sulle ritorsioni, la libertà costa

Bella la battuta sull'Italia, chissà se benfy la capisce

[benfy]

incaSSO....

[I'm Hate]

In Origine Postato da Fernando
http://www.eud.com/2004/11/11/pol_esp_11A506683.shtml
Più di 70 personalità internazionali hanno espresso in una lettera le loro fondate preoccupazioni per la democrazia in Venezuela.
La lettera è stata inviata al Presidente venezuelano Hugo Chavez, al Presidente del Tribunale Supremo ed al Presidente dell'Assemblea Nazionale.
I firmatari:
Morton Abramowitz, destacado miembro de Century Foundation
Mahnaz Afkhami, fundador y presidente, Women's Learning Partnership
Sergio Aguayo, catedrático, El Colegio de México
Madeleine Albright, ex secretaria de Estado estadounidense
Sergio Fernando Araya Alverado, presidente, Colegio Ciencias Políticas y Relaciones Internacionales de Costa Rica
Zainah Anwar, director ejecutivo, Sisters in Islam, Malasia
Bernard Aronson, ex subsecretario de Estado para América Latina y el Caribe (EEUU)
Genaro Arriagada, ex embajador chileno en EEUU
Timothy Garton Ash, destacado profesor e investigador, St. Anthony's College, Oxford, y director del centro de estudios europeos
Ronald Asmus, German Marshall Fund
Dr. Werner Bohler, Fundación Konrad-Adenauer, Alemania
Robert M. Borden, presidente ejecutivo, Bumpers Corporation (Canadá)
Jack Buechner, presidente, Asociación estadounidense de ex miembros del congreso
Emma Bonino, ex comisario de la Unión Europea y ex miembro del Parlamento Europeo (Italia)
William E. Brock, ex senador estadounidense y ex secretario del Trabajo
Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell, ex primer ministro de Canadá
Frank Carlucci , ex asesor de Seguridad Nacional (EEUU)
Violeta Chamorro, ex presidente de Nicaragua
Lorne Craner, presidente, International Republican Institute, y ex subsecretario de Estado para la Democracia, Derechos Humanos y el Trabajo
Michael Danby, miembro del Parlamento, Australia
Gianfranco Dell'Alba, miembro del Parlamento Europeo (Italia)
Larry Diamond, destacado miembro de Hoover Institution and co-editor del Journal of Democracy
Philip Dimitrov, ex primer ministro, Bulgaria
Jorge Domínguez, catedrático, Universidad de Harvard
Thomas R. Donahue, presidente emérito, AFL-CIO
Nicholas Eberstadt, American Enterprise Institute
Peter Eigen, presidente del directorio, Transparency International
Jean Bethke Elshtain, Laura Spelman Rockefeller Professor of Social and Political
Ethics, Universidad de Chicago
Joao Carlos Espada, director, Instituto de Estudios Políticos, Universidad Católica Portuguesa
Francis Fukuyama, Bernard L. Schwartz Professor of International Political
Economy, Paul Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Universidad Johns Hopkins
Richard Goldstone, ex fiscal, Tribunal Penal Internacional para la ex Yugoslavia
Peter Hakim, presidente, Inter-American Dialogue
Vaclav Havel, ex presidente, República Checa
Francois Heisbourg, catedrático francés
Bi-khim Hsiao, miembro del Parlamento, Taiwán
Penn Kemble, destacado miembro de Freedom House
Harvey Klehr, Andrew W. Mellon Professor of Politics and History, Emory University
Stephan Klingelhofer, presidente, International Center for Not-for-Profit Law
Robert LaGamma, Council for a Community of Democracies
Bolívar Lamounier, Augurium Consulting, Brasil
Emb. Luis Lauredo, ex embajador de EEUU, Organización de Estados Americanos
Ulrich Laute, Fundación Konrad-Adenauer, Alemania
John McCain, senador de EEUU
Edward J. McElroy, presidente, Federación Estadounidense de Profesores
Matthew McHugh, ex miembro del Congreso de EEUU
Edward McMillan-Scott, miembro del Parlamento Europeo (Reino Unido)
Sascha Müller-Kraenner, Fundación Heinrich Böll
Ghia Nodia, presidente del directorio, Caucasian Institute for Peace, Democracy and Development, República de Georgia
Janusz Onyszkiewicz, ex ministro de Defensa, Polonia
Marco Pannella, miembro del Parlamento Europeo, (Italia)
Emb. Mark Palmer, vicepresidente del directorio, Freedom House
Robert A. Pastor, director, Center for Democracy and Election Management, American University
Theodore Piccone, Democracy Coalition Project (Estados Unidos)
Surin Pitsuwan, miembro del Parlamento (Tailandia)
James N. Purcell, ex director general, International Organization for Migration
Xiao Qiang, Universidad de California en Berkley, Past Executive Director, Derechos Humanos en China
John Richardson, presidente del directorio, Council for a Community of Democracies
Markus Rosenberger, Fundación Konrad Adenauer, Perú
Richard C. Rowson, Council for a Community of Democracies
John Shattuck, presidente ejecutivo, John F. Kennedy Library Foundation y ex subsecretario de Estado para la Democracia, los Derechos Humanos y el Trabajo
Michael Shifter, vicepresidente de Política, Inter-American Dialogue
Stephen Solarz, ex miembro del Congreso de EEUU
Theodore C. Sorensen, ex asistente especial del presidente John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Strobe Talbott, ex subsecretario de Estado de EEUU
Emb. Terence Todman, ex embajador de EEUU en Argentina, Costa Rica y España
Elisabeth Ungar, Universidad de los Andes (Colombia)
Arturo Valenzuela, director, Center for Latin American Affairs, Georgetown University
Gianni Vernetti, miembro del Parlamento, Italia
Alexandr Vondra, ex vicecanciller, República Checa
Gerhard Wahlers, director de Cooperación Internacional, Fundación Konrad Adenauer
Reinhard Willig, Fundación Konrad Adenauer, Costa Rica
Jennifer Windsor, director ejecutivo, Freedom House
Kenneth Wollack, presidente, National Democratic Institute for International Affairs
Mortimer Zuckerman, jefe de redacción, U.S. News and World Report y New York Daily News

Questi cognomi mi puzzano un pò di sionismo...mah,sarà una mia impressione,tu dimmi..sei con o contro chavez?

[T34]

In Origine Postato da yurj
Dipende dall'ambiente lavorativo. Da quando in qua lo zucchero dipende dal governo?

Sulle ritorsioni, la libertà costa

Bella la battuta sull'Italia, chissà se benfy la capisce

Sinceramente non ho mai seguito le vicende venezuelane, sono capitato per caso alcune settimane per risolvere problemi legati al mio lavoro.
Ricordo benissimo però, la diffusa sfiducia nel Chavez e l'euforia nel portare a termine la raccolta delle firme necessarie per il referendum che doveva sfiduciarlo.

Lo zuchero è stato un'esempio, era razionato, un paese in cui la canna da zucchero era ad ogni angolo di strada, la cosa è perlomeno singolare.
Poi...non sò chi c'era prima e se era meglio o peggio, sò solo che quelli con cui ho avuto qualche scambio di idee, di Chavez, non avevano una buona impressione.

Non solo...a proposito di libertà, mi fù consigliato di evitare domande "importune"....