la gente mi dà del progressista

[pedro]

Per lo stesso motivo per cui c'erano e ci sono quelli con il villone che votano comunista. Non sanno quello che fanno e la storia ci insegna che se ne accorgono solo a cose fatte

No, ci deve essere un megacomplotto o una megaverità nascosta che lui ha scoperto leggendo pamphlet di ebrei pazzi vissuti nel 1800.

[Degtyaryov]

Eccheccazzo è un ebbreobeliverz?

Non sai del fenomeno dei "Self-Hating jews"?

[pedro]

Non sai del fenomeno dei "Self-Hating jews"?

Certo, ma vorrei comunque leggere la tua opinione su questo fatto rilevantissimo.

[Degtyaryov]

Certo, ma vorrei comunque leggere la tua opinione su questo fatto rilevantissimo.

Dici che non è rilevante? Comunque, no semplicemente trovo interessante, il British Journal of Psychology a quanto pare parla proprio di ciò che io ho scritto nell'altro 3d: frequently cite Lewin as evidence that people may attempt to distance themselves from membership in devalued groups because they accept, to some degree, the negative evaluations of their group held by the majority and because these social identities are an obstacle to the pursuit of social status.
L'ho preso da wiki però vi è la nota che fa riferimento appunto a: W. M. L. Finlay, "Pathologizing Dissent: Identity Politics, Zionism and the 'Self-Hating Jew'", British Journal of Social Psychology, Vol. 44 No. 2, June 2005, pp. 201-222.

E se ci pensi la parte da me evidenziata ci parla di un fenomeno diffusissimo presso molti ebrei secolarizzati.

[Degtyaryov]

Eih Pedro qui fa proprio il ragionamento del mio altro 3d, e lo spiega anche storicamente:
The Jewish Quarterly

The key point is that the term ‘Jewish self-hatred’ arose from the specific circumstances of Jews in Germany and came increasingly into use at the beginning of the twentieth century. And you could say — following Gilman’s explanation of its first use — that it was one of the radical or extreme reactions to the partial failure or partial success of emancipation, to the results of the attempts by Jews to assimilate into German society.
By the 1900s the formal emancipation of German Jews was complete and they had achieved a very high degree of assimilation. But the more they demonstrated their desire to be the same as everyone else, they more they were acutely reminded of their otherness. The more they distanced themselves from their Jewish identity the further away seemed the prize of complete acceptance. Coping with this double bind was not easy. One response — intended to help overcome those barriers — was to lay the blame, in whole or in part, at the feet of Jews themselves, to see weaknesses and faults in Judaism, Jewish culture, Jewish mannerisms, Jewish ways of behaving and so on — to cultivate the notion of group inferiority. On the one hand, this was an intensification of the lively, and valued, self-criticism among German Jews that had been developing for some time. On the other hand, the fact that it was sometimes couched in Anti-Semitic terms suggested that Jews were internalising the negative images society imposed on them, stemming from the increase in public Anti-Semitism, and seeking to appease their persecutors in order to finally gain acceptance.
At the same time, Jews (and non-Jews) had concerns about the mental and physical health of Jews. There was vigorous debate about the special tendency of Jews to have particular diseases or engage in asocial behaviour, and in particular to experience problems of mental health. (This was a preoccupation in German and Austrian society as a whole.) Some accepted the ‘Jewish disease’ argument and saw it manifest itself in ‘Jewish Anti-Semitism’, in ‘Jewish self-hatred’ — a psychic disorder, a psychopathology reflecting, in Paul Reitter’s words, an ‘inner torment’. (Expressions of group inferiority were not confined to Jews. The historian Shulamit Volkov reminds us that ‘among Germans at the time [they] were both numerous and “amazingly vehement”’.)
Most use of the ‘Jewish self-hatred’ charge was made by Jewish writers, intellectuals, Zionist politicians (who were very often also writers) and religious figures. And traffic went both ways. Assimilationists and anti-Zionists accused Zionists of being self-haters, for promoting the idea of the strong Jew using rhetoric close to that of the Anti-Semites; Zionists accused their opponents of being self-haters, for promoting the image of the Jew that would perpetuate his inferior position in the modern world. And certain German and Austrian Jews have been regarded as the supreme examples of Jewish self-hatred: Heinrich Heine (1797-1856, the leading German romantic poet, essayist and journalist), Otto Weininger (1880-1903, the influential Austrian philosopher who killed himself at 23), Karl Kraus (1874-1936, the Austrian writer, journalist, editor and satirist) and Sigmund Freud (1856-1939).
Use of the term ‘Jewish self-hatred’ was very prevalent during the years immediately preceding the First World War, when German Jews continued to experience the dilemmas of wishing to become completely assimilated into German society. Theodor Lessing’s book Der judische Selbsthass (Jewish Self-Hate) appeared in 1933 and supposedly charts Lessing’s journey from Jewish self-hater to Zionist.

[Degtyaryov]

Per lo stesso motivo per cui c'erano e ci sono quelli con il villone che votano comunista. Non sanno quello che fanno e la storia ci insegna che se ne accorgono solo a cose fatte

Non è la stessa cosa, tolto il villone sei uno degli altri, ma come smetti di essere ebreo? Come smetti di essere siciliano? Come smetti di essere sassone? Come smetti di essere negro?

[Degtyaryov]

The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, a major promoter of such views, published an article by Kenneth Levin of the Harvard Medical School, which seeks to explain how Israelis duped themselves about Oslo: ‘the phenomenon of segments of the community embracing the indictments of the besiegers and seeking relief through self-criticism and self-reform recurs constantly in the history of the Jewish Diaspora. […] some have seen it as a specifically Jewish pathology, a unique Jewish self-hatred.’
Steven Plaut, professor of business administration at Haifa University, asks: ‘Who […] could have dreamed that the fulfilment and realisation of Zionism would be accompanied by the emergence of the most malignant manifestations of Israeli self-hatred and Jewish anti-Semitism?’ In online journal Nativ, Shlomo Sharan, professor emeritus in psychology at Tel Aviv University, argues that the ‘“new” self-hatred […] preaches that living in Israel is immoral because Jewry stole the land from the Arabs’.

[Degtyaryov]

Pedro dove sei? Ho un altro fatto interessante da sottoporti, voglio sapere che ne pensi, vieni. Anche tu standing bull.

[Miles]

Non è la stessa cosa, tolto il villone sei uno degli altri, ma come smetti di essere ebreo? Come smetti di essere siciliano? Come smetti di essere sassone? Come smetti di essere negro?

Soluzioni calibro 9 ?

[Degtyaryov]

Soluzioni calibro 9 ?

Alcuni non facendocela più sono arrivati a farlo, come Weiniger che era oltretutto anche gay, e quindi non ha retto.