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Mi spiegate cosa ha fatto il mitico @brunik? Io non ero ancora nel forum, penso....

[Vladimir Ilyich]

Mi spiegate cosa ha fatto il mitico @brunik? Io non ero ancora nel forum, penso....

Porta sfiga. Non appena nomina qualcuno, costui ha delle botte di sfiga fenomenali.

[IlWehrwolf]

Guerra in Ucraina, tra ponti in mare e ponti aerei
di Francesco Dall’Aglio *

Nella prima foto, in apertura, i danni al ponte di Crimea ripresi da un satellite russo. Come si può vedere, la linea ferroviaria (a destra nella foto) sulla quale passa quasi tutto il traffico militare e un po’ di quello civile, è intatta e infatti funziona.

Diverso il discorso per l’autostrada, utilizzata principalmente dai civili: la campata di sinistra si è spostata di un’ottantina di centimetri e va rimessa in asse (secondo il vice Primo Ministro Marat Chusnullin i lavori dovrebbero finire il 15 settembre), mentre la campata di destra va smantellata e ricostruita (qui ci vorrà più tempo: la fine dei lavori è prevista per il 1 novembre.

Ci sono problemi tecnici e probabilmente si dovrà costruire un ponte temporaneo di 250 metri per montarci sopra i macchinari che smantelleranno e ricostruiranno la sezione danneggiata).

Intanto il traffico civile è deviato sull’autostrada M14, che attraversa le regioni annesse dalla Russia. Per la gente ancora bloccata in macchina sono allestiti posti di ristoro e alloggi temporanei, in attesa che li si possa far defluire.

Insomma, risultati militari non eccezionali ma vacanze in Crimea rovinate a un bel po’ di gente, oltre ovviamente al solito incasso mediatico.

Che l’accordo sul grano saltasse era già chiaro, e non è stato l’attacco al ponte a farlo definitivamente naufragare. L’Ucraina ha detto che per loro si può procedere lo stesso, ma la Russia ha ritirato le garanzie di sicurezza per le navi e i porti e ha cancellato il “corridoio umanitario” nel Mar Nero nordoccidentale.

Ora ovviamente la marina russa non si metterà ad affondare mercantili stranieri, ma le compagnie assicurative potrebbero tirarsi fuori e i porti venire bombardati.

Gli USA si sono affrettati a comunicare che per quanto li riguarda non hanno intenzione di mandare navi loro nel Mar Nero. Nemmeno Erdoğan ha perso le speranze: dopo aver detto che l’accordo sul grano verrà ricordato nella storia, ha detto di voler parlare a breve con Putin e provare a farlo ripartire. Non sono molto ottimista sulla cosa.

Tornando alla situazione militare, un paio di aggiornamenti. Sul fronte nord, le truppe russe sono passate all’offensiva, avanzano in alcuni punti e sono riuscite a stabilire una piccola testa di ponte oltre il fiume Zherebets.

Non sono né grandi avanzate né grandi movimenti di truppe, ma su parecchi canali ucraini, anche ufficiali, si sostiene che abbiano ammassato forze imponenti: 100.000 uomini, 900 carri, più di 500 pezzi d’artiglieria e 370 lanciamissili.

Onestamente non pare ci sia traccia di una simile concentrazione di truppe e tutto potrebbe essere una psyop per potere affermare tra qualche giorno che questa avanzata condotta con forze soverchianti è stata bloccata e intestarsi un’altra vittoria. Vedremo, certo quella zona del fronte è abbastanza calda.

Il secondo aggiornamento è ancora più congetturale. Ieri c’è stato un attacco piuttosto serio su Kharkiv e due missili russi hanno colpito il dormitorio della facoltà di legge, da tempo usato per alloggiarvi soldati e, si dice, anche personale occidentale, mercenari o istruttori che siano.

Ci sono state vittime (non sappiamo quante), ma la cosa strana è che nell’aeroporto polacco di Rzeszów, il principale hub logistico degli equipaggiamenti NATO che vengono trasferiti in Ucraina, c’è stato un gran traffico di aerei senza transponder per tutta la notte – cosa non inusuale – finché alle 13 non è atterrato OO-MED, un Learjet 45 della ASL Fly Med (foto 2), compagnia specializzata nel soccorso aereo, attrezzato per trasportare pazienti in condizioni critiche.

Un pezzo grosso che deve restare anonimo avrà avuto un incidente. A Kharkiv?

https://contropiano.org/news/internazionale-news/2023/07/18/guerra-in-ucraina-tra-ponti-in-mare-e-ponti-aerei-0162506

[Giulio962]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=68ed3ed01eac

Nearly six weeks into Ukraine’s long-anticipated 2023 counteroffensive, one of the Ukrainian military’s most powerful units—the new 82nd Air Assault Brigade—still hasn’t joined the fight.


But a video that appeared online on Friday is a reminder that the 2,000-person formation—with its 14 Challenger 2 tanks, 40 Marder tracked infantry fighting vehicles and 90 Stryker wheeled IFVs—is ready to roll into action at the time and place of Ukrainian commanders’ choosing.

Ukraine’s American allies have anticipated the day when the 82nd Brigade finally makes contact with the Russians. The United States already is sending fresh vehicles to replace the brigade’s eventual combat losses.

The Friday video depicts Strykers, apparently belonging to the 82nd Brigade, speeding along a dirt road presumably somewhere in southern Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia Oblast, the locus of the counteroffensive.

The 82nd’s vehicles—plus the two dozen 105-millimeter howitzers that support them—together form a potent assault force. One that could breach Russian defenses, or exploit an existing breach.

The 71-ton, four-crew Challenger 2 with its thick composite armor—equivalent to nearly 2,000 millimeters of steel on the turret front—might be the best-protected tank in Russia’s wider war on Ukraine. The United Kingdom donated powerful depleted-uranium rounds for the tanks’ 120-millimeter rifled guns.

Those 14 Challenger 2s may be the best weapons the Ukrainians have for a direct assault on Russian fortifications. And they’ll have powerful back-up in the form of the 40 Marders.


The 31-ton Marder—which carries three crew and six infantry and packs a 20-millimeter autocannon and Milan anti-tank missile launcher—has sloped frontal armor offering protection equivalent to between 53 and 70 millimeters of steel, if not more. Protection along the sides is equal to at least 33 millimeters of steel.

That’s a tiny fraction of the armor that protects a Challenger 2. But for an IFV, it’s a lot. Ukraine’s mainstay BMP-1 IFV has half as much protection. A Marder should be able to deflect 30-millimeter autocannon rounds.

In a combined-arms assault by the 82nd Brigade, armored mineclearing vehicles would roll out first. Challenger 2s would follow close behind, blasting Russian vehicles and strongpoints with their 120-millimeter guns while sticking to lanes the mineclearers have rendered safe.


The Marders meanwhile would trail behind the tanks, dropping off infantry squads to suppress Russian infantry. Once the Challenger 2s and Marders have pried open Russian defenses, the Strykers could race through the gap and into the Russians’ lightly-defended rear area.

The 16-ton, eight-wheel Stryker—which carries two crew and up to nine infantry and packs a heavy machine gun or grenade-launcher—is thinly armored compared to the Marder. It can resist heavy machine gun fire, but a 30-millimeter cannon round might punch right through it.


A Stryker wouldn’t last long in a direct assault on Russian fortifications. But the Stryker’s wheels lend it high speed and good fuel-efficiency—and a Stryker is easier to maintain than a tracked IFV is. It might be just the thing for a swift, deep exploitation of an armored breakthrough.

Not that a breakthrough would be easy or cheap. The slow pace of the counteroffensive, which has seen Ukrainian brigades advance fewer than 10 miles along each of several axes in Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk Oblasts, is a healthy reminder that even a successful armored breach can cost the attacking force a lot of vehicles.

On June 5, the Ukrainian navy’s 37th Marine Brigade assaulted Russian positions around Velyka Novosilka in Donetsk Oblast—and came under heavy artillery fire. Shell fragments penetrated the thin armor on the 37th Brigade’s AMX-10RC reconnaissance vehicles, disabling at least two of them as the Ukrainians pushed back the Russians.

Three days later on June 8, a battlegroup from the Ukrainian army’s 33rd and 47th Mechanized Brigades lost roughly 25 tanks, fighting vehicles and engineering vehicles trying and failing to breach a Russian minefield south of Mala Tokmachka in Zaporizhzhia. It took another month for the brigades to get through or around the fortifications and begin recovering some of the vehicles they had abandoned.

The 82nd Brigade is much heavier than the 37th Brigade is, but it’s not heavier than the 47th and 33rd Brigades are. There’s no reason to expect the 82nd won’t also lose a lot of vehicles—and potentially their crews—when it first comes into contact with entrenched Russian troops. Wherever and whenever that might be.

But planners in Kyiv and Washington, D.C. clearly are trying to get ahead of the problem. When the 47th Brigade began writing off American-made M-2 tracked IFVs at a rate of nearly one a day during counteroffensive operations, the United States rushed to supply dozens of replacement M-2s.


The Americans aren’t waiting for the 82nd Brigade to lose its first Stryker. The last few U.S. aid packages have included an additional 67 Strykers on top of the 90 wheeled IFVs the Americans originally pledged, and which the 82nd Brigade took ownership of.

Some of those extra Strykers could equip a battalion or two in some other brigade, but it’s likely the others are an attrition reserve: replacement vehicles to keep the 82nd Brigade in fighting strength once it finally enters combat—and starts losing Strykers

[Giulio962]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=28bef7ba3699




The Ukrainian army’s ex-Swedish tanks finally have appeared, possibly somewhere in Ukraine. At least six of the 62-ton Stridsvagn 122s—Swedish variants of the German-made Leopard 2A5—are visible in a video that circulated online on Wednesday.


Observers have been expecting the four-person tanks with their tungsten-and-ceramic armor, 120-millimeter smoothbore guns and high-tech fire-controls. When they finally showed up, they were wearing Barracuda camouflage netting that masks their infrared and radar signatures.

NATO-invitee Sweden in January and February announced a major arms package for Ukraine including the 10 Strv 122 tanks, 50 CV90 infantry fighting vehicles with powerful 40-millimeter autocannons and eight Archer 155-millimeter howitzers. The vehicle consignment boosted to $1.5 billion the total value of Swedish military support for Ukraine.

The ex-Swedish vehicles apparently equip a tank company, a mechanized battalion and an artillery battery within the Ukrainian army’s new 21st Mechanized Brigade. Unless it’s a very small brigade, the 21st probably also has scores of vehicles that didn’t come from Sweden.

The 21st Mechanized Brigade trained in Sweden this spring and redeployed back to Ukraine right before, or as, Ukraine’s long-anticipated 2023 counteroffensive finally kicked off in southern and eastern Ukraine on June 4.

Seven weeks into the counteroffensive, Ukrainian brigades have advanced a few miles along each of several major axes: south of Kherson city, toward Robotyne in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, along the Mokri Yaly river valley in Donetsk Oblast and south of the ruins of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region.

What’s weird is that the 21st Mechanized Brigade with its ex-Swedish vehicles—some of the best vehicles in the Ukrainian inventory—apparently hasn’t deployed to any of these axes. Instead, it’s inching toward the main line of contact west of Russian-occupied Kreminna in northeastern Ukraine

[Vladimir Ilyich]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=68ed3ed01eac

Nearly six weeks into Ukraine’s long-anticipated 2023 counteroffensive, one of the Ukrainian military’s most powerful units—the new 82nd Air Assault Brigade—still hasn’t joined the fight.


But a video that appeared online on Friday is a reminder that the 2,000-person formation—with its 14 Challenger 2 tanks, 40 Marder tracked infantry fighting vehicles and 90 Stryker wheeled IFVs—is ready to roll into action at the time and place of Ukrainian commanders’ choosing.

Ukraine’s American allies have anticipated the day when the 82nd Brigade finally makes contact with the Russians. The United States already is sending fresh vehicles to replace the brigade’s eventual combat losses.

The Friday video depicts Strykers, apparently belonging to the 82nd Brigade, speeding along a dirt road presumably somewhere in southern Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia Oblast, the locus of the counteroffensive.

The 82nd’s vehicles—plus the two dozen 105-millimeter howitzers that support them—together form a potent assault force. One that could breach Russian defenses, or exploit an existing breach.

The 71-ton, four-crew Challenger 2 with its thick composite armor—equivalent to nearly 2,000 millimeters of steel on the turret front—might be the best-protected tank in Russia’s wider war on Ukraine. The United Kingdom donated powerful depleted-uranium rounds for the tanks’ 120-millimeter rifled guns.

Those 14 Challenger 2s may be the best weapons the Ukrainians have for a direct assault on Russian fortifications. And they’ll have powerful back-up in the form of the 40 Marders.


The 31-ton Marder—which carries three crew and six infantry and packs a 20-millimeter autocannon and Milan anti-tank missile launcher—has sloped frontal armor offering protection equivalent to between 53 and 70 millimeters of steel, if not more. Protection along the sides is equal to at least 33 millimeters of steel.

That’s a tiny fraction of the armor that protects a Challenger 2. But for an IFV, it’s a lot. Ukraine’s mainstay BMP-1 IFV has half as much protection. A Marder should be able to deflect 30-millimeter autocannon rounds.

In a combined-arms assault by the 82nd Brigade, armored mineclearing vehicles would roll out first. Challenger 2s would follow close behind, blasting Russian vehicles and strongpoints with their 120-millimeter guns while sticking to lanes the mineclearers have rendered safe.


The Marders meanwhile would trail behind the tanks, dropping off infantry squads to suppress Russian infantry. Once the Challenger 2s and Marders have pried open Russian defenses, the Strykers could race through the gap and into the Russians’ lightly-defended rear area.

The 16-ton, eight-wheel Stryker—which carries two crew and up to nine infantry and packs a heavy machine gun or grenade-launcher—is thinly armored compared to the Marder. It can resist heavy machine gun fire, but a 30-millimeter cannon round might punch right through it.


A Stryker wouldn’t last long in a direct assault on Russian fortifications. But the Stryker’s wheels lend it high speed and good fuel-efficiency—and a Stryker is easier to maintain than a tracked IFV is. It might be just the thing for a swift, deep exploitation of an armored breakthrough.

Not that a breakthrough would be easy or cheap. The slow pace of the counteroffensive, which has seen Ukrainian brigades advance fewer than 10 miles along each of several axes in Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk Oblasts, is a healthy reminder that even a successful armored breach can cost the attacking force a lot of vehicles.

On June 5, the Ukrainian navy’s 37th Marine Brigade assaulted Russian positions around Velyka Novosilka in Donetsk Oblast—and came under heavy artillery fire. Shell fragments penetrated the thin armor on the 37th Brigade’s AMX-10RC reconnaissance vehicles, disabling at least two of them as the Ukrainians pushed back the Russians.

Three days later on June 8, a battlegroup from the Ukrainian army’s 33rd and 47th Mechanized Brigades lost roughly 25 tanks, fighting vehicles and engineering vehicles trying and failing to breach a Russian minefield south of Mala Tokmachka in Zaporizhzhia. It took another month for the brigades to get through or around the fortifications and begin recovering some of the vehicles they had abandoned.

The 82nd Brigade is much heavier than the 37th Brigade is, but it’s not heavier than the 47th and 33rd Brigades are. There’s no reason to expect the 82nd won’t also lose a lot of vehicles—and potentially their crews—when it first comes into contact with entrenched Russian troops. Wherever and whenever that might be.

But planners in Kyiv and Washington, D.C. clearly are trying to get ahead of the problem. When the 47th Brigade began writing off American-made M-2 tracked IFVs at a rate of nearly one a day during counteroffensive operations, the United States rushed to supply dozens of replacement M-2s.


The Americans aren’t waiting for the 82nd Brigade to lose its first Stryker. The last few U.S. aid packages have included an additional 67 Strykers on top of the 90 wheeled IFVs the Americans originally pledged, and which the 82nd Brigade took ownership of.

Some of those extra Strykers could equip a battalion or two in some other brigade, but it’s likely the others are an attrition reserve: replacement vehicles to keep the 82nd Brigade in fighting strength once it finally enters combat—and starts losing Strykers

the 2,000-person formation—with its 14 Challenger 2 tanks, 40 Marder tracked infantry fighting vehicles and 90 Stryker wheeled IFVs

2000 persone? Sono queste le famose brigate ucraine? Persino un reggimento ha più effettivi…

E tu che ti impuntavi sulle brigate da 5000 effettivi…

2000 effettivi significa 500 combattenti suppergiù… due compagnie scarse…

Che esercito da operetta!!!!

[Leviathan]

Mi spiegate cosa ha fatto il mitico @brunik? Io non ero ancora nel forum, penso....

Tutte le persone per cui galoppa.... Fanno una brutta fine

[blobb]

2000 persone? Sono queste le famose brigate ucraine? Persino un reggimento ha più effettivi…

E tu che ti impuntavi sulle brigate da 5000 effettivi…

2000 effettivi significa 500 combattenti suppergiù… due compagnie scarse…

Che esercito da operetta!!!!

concordo

[Giulio962]

2000 persone? Sono queste le famose brigate ucraine? Persino un reggimento ha più effettivi…

E tu che ti impuntavi sulle brigate da 5000 effettivi…

2000 effettivi significa 500 combattenti suppergiù… due compagnie scarse…

Che esercito da operetta!!!!

Non so che cazzo stai dicendo.
Io ho semplicemente riportato dei link e non mi sono mai impuntato su nulla.
Sei tu che facevi discorsi "strani" sui manuali militare e altre cazzate del genere.
Il numero dei soldati nelle brigate non è un numero fisso. Può variare da brigata e brigata.
In alcune ci saranno più soldati e in altri meno.
In ogni caso il numero di soldati ucraini addestrati per fare la controffensiva è di circa 67.000 unità, come è stato riportato da più fonti.

se tutte le brigate avessero 2000 soldati, le brigate nuove, di soldati addestrati, sarebbero circa 34.
Ma non si è mai parlato di 34 brigate.
Indicativamente, in media i 67.000 soldati sono stati divisi in brigate, in un numero medio di circa 12 brigate x 5000 soldati per brigata.
Io ho semplicemente scritto questo.

[Giulio962]

concordo

Tu sei un altro che non ha capito nulla, come quell'altro.