Mandarin airlines

[Il_Grigio]

[Duffy]

In Origine postato da Il_Grigio

Come si saranno sentiti i passeggeri in fase di decollo?

Sicuramente molto meglio di quelli "dell'altro" aereo (circa 9Mb)

Ciao



PS
Il Comandante di quello che è caduto era italiano ed è sopravvissuto all'incidente senza conseguenze.

[Il_Grigio]

Azzz, ed io che pensavo fosse stato un problema a terra....
Non sapevo fosse un incidente vero, sorry...

[hokusai77]

In Origine postato da Duffy
Sicuramente molto meglio di quelli "dell'altro" aereo (circa 9Mb)

Ciao



PS
Il Comandante di quello che è caduto era italiano ed è sopravvissuto all'incidente senza conseguenze.

Tremendo il filmato...
Quante sono state le vittime?

[landingFCO]

Ma come ha fatto a ribaltarsi totalmente in quel modo?
A vedere il video non sembrerebbe.

Cmq , nonostante la gravità dell'incidente , hanno perso la vita "solo" 3 pax su 315 pax+crew che erano a bordo.

[landingFCO]

CHINA AIRLINES (ex Mandarin Airlines) flight 642 departed Bangkok for a flight to Taipei via Hong Kong. Weather in the Hong Kong area was very poor with a severe tropical storm ('Sam') 50km NE of the airport and gale force winds and thunderstorms. Extra fuel was carried, because the crew intended to continue to Taipei, depending on weather at Hong Kong on arrival. Before the arrival of flight 642 four flights carried out missed approaches, five planes diverted and 12 planes landed successfully.
Weather information obtained by the crew at 18:06 reported a 300deg wind at 35 knots and an RVR of 650m in heavy rain. The flight crew then prepared for a runway 25L ILS approach. Landing reference speed was calculated to be 152 knots and the captain (pilot-in-command) would fly the approach at 170 knots and would continue to land depending on a wind check on finals.
At 18:41, while flying the runway 25L ILS approach, weather was reported to the crew being 1600m visibility in the touchdown zone, wind 320deg/25 knots gusting to 33 knots. The aircraft was then cleared to land. At an altitude of 700 feet prior to touchdown a further wind check was passed to the crew: 320deg/28 knots gusting to 36 knots. Maximum crosswind component limit for the aircraft was 24 knots. The pilot-in-command continued with the approach, disconnected the autopilot but left auto throttle engaged. The MD-11, with a weight very close to the maximum landing weight permitted, stabilized slightly low on the glide slope. At 50 feet above the runway, upon power reduction to flight idle, the airspeed decreased from 170 to 152 knots. An attempt was made to flare in a slightly right wing down (less than 4 deg) attitude. The aircraft landed hard on its right main gear and the no. 3 engine touched the runway. The right main gear separated and the right wing separated. The MD-11 then rolled inverted as it skidded off the runway in flames. It came to rest on a grass area next to the runway, 1100m from the runway threshold. The right wing was found on a taxiway 90m from the nose of the plane.
The crash sequence in this case bears similarities to a Fedex MD-11 which also flipped upside down on landing at Newark.

CAUSAL FACTORS:
"The cause of the accident was the commander's inability to arrest the high rate of descent existing at 50 ft RA.
Probable contributory causes to the high rate of descent were:
(i) The commander's failure to appreciate the combination of a reducing airspeed, increasing rate of descent, and with the thrust decreasing to flight idle.
(ii) The commander's failure to apply power to counteract the high rate of descent prior to touchdown.
(iii) Probable variations in wind direction and speed below 50 ft RA may have resulted in a momentary loss of headwind component and, in combination with the early retardation of the thrust levers, and at a weight only just below the maximum landing weight, led to a 20 kt loss in indicated airspeed just prior to touchdown.
A possible contributory cause may have been a reduction in peripheral vision as the aircraft entered the area of the landing flare, resulting in the commander not appreciating the high rate of descent prior to touchdown."

China Airlines and the plane's co-pilot applied for a review of the findings and conclusions of the accident report. In September, 2002, the Chief Executive appointed an independent Board of Review made up of a Principal Magistrate and two overseas expert assessors. Their report completed in December, 2004.
Regarding the causal factors, the Board of Review reject edthe part of the causal factor relating to the maximum landing weight in para. (iii) being a possible significant contributing cause to the high rate of descent: "In relation to para. (iii), we are of the view that the reference to aircraft weight is possibly misleading as any increase in drag resulting from the aircraft weight would have been minimal and a heavier aircraft would have more inertia and possibly greater stability in these particular circumstances. Furthermore, the extra fuel carried would have allowed for a wider range of aircraft diversion options, thereby relieving some of the pressures on the crew to avoid a go-around."


- aviation-safety.net -

[hokusai77]

Grazie Ale.

Ciao
Yari

[Steman]

Gia', e' successo due volte agli MD-11 di ribaltarsi. Davvero una cosa che non ti aspetti in un aereo tanto grosso e pesante.

Ciao

Stefano

[almetano]

è uno dei motivi per cui la linea di produzione md11 è stata chiusa prematuramente ed è stata sollecitata la conversione a cargo della flotta esistente

http://www.airmanshiponline.com/21ma...g%20report.htm

ciao

[Dimifox]

In Origine postato da landingFCO

CAUSAL FACTORS:
"The cause of the accident was the commander's inability to arrest the high rate of descent existing at 50 ft RA.

Infatti il comandante non aveva seguito il corso integrativo di magia aeronautica per il conseguimento dell'ATPL!

Trovarsi in pieno windshear a 50 piedi (poco più di 15 metri!!!) con una macchina notoriamente difficile come l'MD11 senza aver avuto nessun avvertimento da ATIS ed ATC non penso che si configuri come una "commander's inability...".

Prima di scrivere certe cose bisognerebbe almeno contare fino a 3...!!!

Ciao.