Brexit: ecco cosa accade

[Jerome]

Il fatto che ti abbia messo il "mi piace" Jerome dimostra due cose: hai scritto una cazzata mastodontica, hai scritto una cazzata di estrema destra (e infatti hai attaccato per l'ennesima volta l'unità europea cosa che i destri sovranisti come Jerome vedono come fumo negli occhi)

Il like è per la critica verso di te

[Darwin]

Aggiornamento.
Oggi in parlamento votano su 16 (dico 16) diversi piani di Brexit.
Ovviamente senza tenere conto dei paletti UE , la voglia del cherry picking inglese rimane inalterata almeno di facciata.
RImane sempre il dubbio che sia il solito gioco del cerino che a questo punto rimane isolato all'interno del parlamento britannico , in caso contrario non si spiega il fatto che il governo May sia ancora in carica.

qui di seguito il compendio dei 16 piani



Labour plan

Labour has tabled a motion proposing its plan for a close economic relationship with the EU. The plan includes a comprehensive customs union with a UK say on future trade deals; close alignment with the single market; matching new EU rights and protections; participation in EU agencies and funding programmes; and agreement on future security arrangements, including access to the European arrest warrant.

Common market 2.0

Tabled by Conservatives Nick Boles, Robert Halfon and Andrew Percy and Labour’s Stephen Kinnock, Lucy Powell and Diana Johnson. The motion proposes UK membership of the European free trade association and European Economic Area. It allows continued participation in the single market and a “comprehensive customs arrangement” with the EU after Brexit, which would remain in place until the agreement of a wider trade deal which guarantees frictionless movement of goods and an open border in Ireland.

Confirmatory public vote

Drawn up by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and tabled by former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett with the backing of scores of MPs across the House, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification.

Customs union

Requires a commitment to negotiate a “permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU” in any Brexit deal. Tabled by veteran Conservative Europhile Ken Clarke, backed by Labour’s Yvette Cooper, Helen Goodman and chair of the Commons Brexit committee Hilary Benn and Tory former ministers Sir Oliver Letwin and Sarah Newton.

Malthouse compromise Plan A

A cross-party proposal calls for Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement to be implemented with the controversial “backstop” for the Irish border replaced by alternative arrangements. Backed by Conservatives from both the leave and remain wings of the party, including Nicky Morgan, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Damian Green, Steve Baker and Sir Graham Brady, as well as the DUP’s Nigel Dodds and Labour Brexiteer Kate Hoey.

Revoke article 50

Under this plan, if the government has not passed its withdrawal agreement, it would have to stage a vote on a no-deal Brexit two sitting days before the scheduled date of departure. If MPs refuse to authorise no-deal, the prime minister would be required to halt Brexit by revoking article 50. The motion, tabled by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry, has been signed by 33 MPs including Conservative former attorney general Dominic Grieve, Liberal Democrat leader Sir Vince Cable, Labour’s Ben Bradshaw and all 11 members of The Independent Group.

Revocation instead of no deal

Under this plan, the government is called on to “urgently” bring forward any legislation needed to revoke article 50 “in the event that the house fails to approve any withdrawal agreement four days before the end of the article 50 period”. It has been signed by 28 MPs, including the SNP’s Angus Brendan MacNeil and Tory MP Ken Clarke.

New customs union

Tabled by Labour’s MP for Stoke-on-Trent Central Gareth Snell, this motion simply states that it should be the government’s objective to implement a trade agreement including a customs union with the EU. It mirrors an amendment to the trade bill secured by Labour peers in the House of Lords.

EEA/EFTA without customs union

A motion tabled by Conservative MP George Eustice - who quit as agriculture minister this month to fight for Brexit - proposes remaining within the EEA and rejoining EFTA, but remaining outside a customs union with the EU. The motion was also signed by Conservative MPs including former minister Nicky Morgan and head of the Brexit Delivery Group Simon Hart.

No deal

Backed by Conservative MPs John Baron, David Amess, Martin Vickers and Stephen Metcalfe, the motion proposes leaving the European Union without a deal on April 12.

Unilateral right of exit from backstop

The same four Tory MPs, as well as Andrew Percy and Neil Parish, have also backed a motion to leave the EU on May 22 with Mrs May’s withdrawal agreement amended to allow the UK to unilaterally exit the Northern Ireland backstop.

Consent of devolved institutions

Backed by SNP MPs including Ian Blackford, Kirsty Blackman and Stephen Gethins, this motion requires an agreement that the UK will not leave without a deal, and that no action for leaving the EU will be taken without a consent motion passed in both the Scottish parliament and the Welsh assembly.

Contingent preferential arrangements

A group of Conservative MPs, including Marcus Fysh, Steve Baker and Priti Patel, have signed a motion that calls for the government to seek to agree preferential trade arrangements with the EU, in case the UK is unable to implement a withdrawal agreement with the bloc.

Contingent reciprocal arrangements

A similar group of Tory MPs have backed a proposal calling for the government to “at least reciprocate the arrangements put in place by the EU and or its member states to manage the period following the UK’s departure from the EU”, in case the UK is unable to implement a withdrawal agreement.

Respect the referendum results

A cross-party proposal, signed by 94 MPs including the Conservatives’ Will Quince, Labour’s Frank Field and the DUP’s Nigel Dodds, urges the house to “reaffirm its commitment to honour the result of the referendum that the UK should leave the European Union”.

Constitutional and accountable government

Tabled by Sir Bill Cash and other Tory Brexiters, this backs leaving the EU, rejects the government’s withdrawal agreement and proposes changing Commons standing orders so that a two-thirds majority would be needed to allow any fresh attempt to allow indicative votes debates to take precedence over government business on any given day.

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Aggiornamento.
Oggi in parlamento votano su 16 (dico 16) diversi piani di Brexit.
Ovviamente senza tenere conto dei paletti UE , la voglia del cherry picking inglese rimane inalterata almeno di facciata.
RImane sempre il dubbio che sia il solito gioco del cerino che a questo punto rimane isolato all'interno del parlamento britannico , in caso contrario non si spiega il fatto che il governo May sia ancora in carica.

qui di seguito il compendio dei 16 piani



Labour plan

Labour has tabled a motion proposing its plan for a close economic relationship with the EU. The plan includes a comprehensive customs union with a UK say on future trade deals; close alignment with the single market; matching new EU rights and protections; participation in EU agencies and funding programmes; and agreement on future security arrangements, including access to the European arrest warrant.

Common market 2.0

Tabled by Conservatives Nick Boles, Robert Halfon and Andrew Percy and Labour’s Stephen Kinnock, Lucy Powell and Diana Johnson. The motion proposes UK membership of the European free trade association and European Economic Area. It allows continued participation in the single market and a “comprehensive customs arrangement” with the EU after Brexit, which would remain in place until the agreement of a wider trade deal which guarantees frictionless movement of goods and an open border in Ireland.

Confirmatory public vote

Drawn up by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and tabled by former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett with the backing of scores of MPs across the House, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification.

Customs union

Requires a commitment to negotiate a “permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU” in any Brexit deal. Tabled by veteran Conservative Europhile Ken Clarke, backed by Labour’s Yvette Cooper, Helen Goodman and chair of the Commons Brexit committee Hilary Benn and Tory former ministers Sir Oliver Letwin and Sarah Newton.

Malthouse compromise Plan A

A cross-party proposal calls for Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement to be implemented with the controversial “backstop” for the Irish border replaced by alternative arrangements. Backed by Conservatives from both the leave and remain wings of the party, including Nicky Morgan, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Damian Green, Steve Baker and Sir Graham Brady, as well as the DUP’s Nigel Dodds and Labour Brexiteer Kate Hoey.

Revoke article 50

Under this plan, if the government has not passed its withdrawal agreement, it would have to stage a vote on a no-deal Brexit two sitting days before the scheduled date of departure. If MPs refuse to authorise no-deal, the prime minister would be required to halt Brexit by revoking article 50. The motion, tabled by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry, has been signed by 33 MPs including Conservative former attorney general Dominic Grieve, Liberal Democrat leader Sir Vince Cable, Labour’s Ben Bradshaw and all 11 members of The Independent Group.

Revocation instead of no deal

Under this plan, the government is called on to “urgently” bring forward any legislation needed to revoke article 50 “in the event that the house fails to approve any withdrawal agreement four days before the end of the article 50 period”. It has been signed by 28 MPs, including the SNP’s Angus Brendan MacNeil and Tory MP Ken Clarke.

New customs union

Tabled by Labour’s MP for Stoke-on-Trent Central Gareth Snell, this motion simply states that it should be the government’s objective to implement a trade agreement including a customs union with the EU. It mirrors an amendment to the trade bill secured by Labour peers in the House of Lords.

EEA/EFTA without customs union

A motion tabled by Conservative MP George Eustice - who quit as agriculture minister this month to fight for Brexit - proposes remaining within the EEA and rejoining EFTA, but remaining outside a customs union with the EU. The motion was also signed by Conservative MPs including former minister Nicky Morgan and head of the Brexit Delivery Group Simon Hart.

No deal

Backed by Conservative MPs John Baron, David Amess, Martin Vickers and Stephen Metcalfe, the motion proposes leaving the European Union without a deal on April 12.

Unilateral right of exit from backstop

The same four Tory MPs, as well as Andrew Percy and Neil Parish, have also backed a motion to leave the EU on May 22 with Mrs May’s withdrawal agreement amended to allow the UK to unilaterally exit the Northern Ireland backstop.

Consent of devolved institutions

Backed by SNP MPs including Ian Blackford, Kirsty Blackman and Stephen Gethins, this motion requires an agreement that the UK will not leave without a deal, and that no action for leaving the EU will be taken without a consent motion passed in both the Scottish parliament and the Welsh assembly.

Contingent preferential arrangements

A group of Conservative MPs, including Marcus Fysh, Steve Baker and Priti Patel, have signed a motion that calls for the government to seek to agree preferential trade arrangements with the EU, in case the UK is unable to implement a withdrawal agreement with the bloc.

Contingent reciprocal arrangements

A similar group of Tory MPs have backed a proposal calling for the government to “at least reciprocate the arrangements put in place by the EU and or its member states to manage the period following the UK’s departure from the EU”, in case the UK is unable to implement a withdrawal agreement.

Respect the referendum results

A cross-party proposal, signed by 94 MPs including the Conservatives’ Will Quince, Labour’s Frank Field and the DUP’s Nigel Dodds, urges the house to “reaffirm its commitment to honour the result of the referendum that the UK should leave the European Union”.

Constitutional and accountable government

Tabled by Sir Bill Cash and other Tory Brexiters, this backs leaving the EU, rejects the government’s withdrawal agreement and proposes changing Commons standing orders so that a two-thirds majority would be needed to allow any fresh attempt to allow indicative votes debates to take precedence over government business on any given day.

che massa di buffoni

[Darwin]

che massa di buffoni

Il tutto a due settimane dalla nuova scadenza a meno che l'accordo May non venga accettato e votato dagli hard brexiters(in cambio di cosa probabilmente verrà celato all'opinione pubblica).

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Il tutto a due settimane dalla nuova scadenza a meno che l'accordo May non venga accettato e votato dagli hard brexiters(in cambio di cosa probabilmente verrà celato all'opinione pubblica).

una cosa è sicura, questa gestione della brexit mette una pietra tombale sulla diceria della presunta efficienza e serietà al nord europa
tutto il mondo è paese

[Ugo2000]

Ti atteggi continuamente a professorone e poi te ne esci con queste fesserie infantili.

Fai pace col cervello e citami l'articolo degli accordi del Venerdì Santo che dice che l'eventuale uscita di uno dei due Stati contraenti dall'UE, o anche la sola organizzazione di un referendum in merito, viola l'accordo medesimo ed è un atto criminale. Allora, e solo allora, avrai il diritto di essere preso in considerazione quando affermerai che « il referendum è stato un atto criminale »

Vabbè..ho fatto il possibile per fartelo capire.
Non ne vuoi sapere? Non ti piace? Pazienza...

Ma se pensi che, solo perchè tu non capisci il significato di quello che scrivo, io debba cambiarlo come piace a te allora vivi in un mondo di pure fantasia.

[Ugo2000]

Il tutto a due settimane dalla nuova scadenza a meno che l'accordo May non venga accettato e votato dagli hard brexiters(in cambio di cosa probabilmente verrà celato all'opinione pubblica).

Secondo me non è da sottovalutare un'altra lettura dei fatti.

Gli Hard brexiters sanno benissimo che danni farà il no-deal ma lo hanno sventolato per 3 anni allo scopo di vederselo rifiutare per poi potersi lamentare per il "tradimento della democrazia".
Fino ad ora il loro piano poteva essere quello di non votare il WA e sperare che la May lo facesse approvare dai moderati dei due schieramenti.

Ma quando la deadline si è avvicinata e la May è crollata sempre più in uno stato confusionale, hanno iniziato a sospettare che il no-deal fosse veramente alle porte e ora cercano di ripiegare sull'accordo perchè anche per loro è il male minore.

A riprova di questa ipotesi faccio notare che dicono che voterebbero il WA perchè altrimenti si rischia di non fare nessuna brexit.. ma è assolutamente falso: se loro volessero VERAMENTE il no-deal ora potrebbero votare la sfiducia e far cadere il governo. Così, a pochi gg dalla scadenza, non ci sarebbe nemmeno il tempo materiale per trovare una nuova maggioranza e un nuovo governo il il no-deal avverrebbe di default.

Perchè non lo fanno?

[vostok]

https://video.repubblica.it/dossier/...C12-P6-S3.4-T1

[Frankie D.]

una cosa è sicura, questa gestione della brexit mette una pietra tombale sulla diceria della presunta efficienza e serietà al nord europa
tutto il mondo è paese

Piuttosto del Regno Unito, d'altronde come è pregiudizio imputare a tutti i paesi del sud una presunta inefficienza, allo stesso tempo è pregiudizio imputare a tutti i paesi del nord una presunta inefficienza esclusivamente per l'incapacità del parlamento UK di gestire un passaggio così fondamentale.

Detto questo, il problema è che le trattative per la Brexit andavano lasciate nelle mani del parlamento fin dal primo giorno e non nelle mani di una maggioranza con posizioni diametralmente opposte al suo interno.
Il problema riguardava tutte le forze politiche e i rappresentanti di tutti i cittadini.
I Tories invece hanno preteso di gestire la cosa da soli e i Labours hanno espresso posizioni confusionarie per troppo tempo per questioni elettorali.
Laddove invece si fosse lasciata all'intero parlamento la gestione dei negoziati molto probabilmente ad oggi avremmo delle posizioni più chiare e forse una soluzione.

[Frankie D.]

"petizione popolare"

C'è già stato un voto, non è una petizione sottoscritta da un piccola parte di chi ha votato remain e tanti fake e utenti esteri che dà il diritto di poter rivotare.
Solita ridicola propaganda della stampa.


La UE e i globalisti vogliono che la Brexit avvenga dopo le Europee perchè se avverrà prima e l'UK rimarrà in piedi allora alle europee ci sarà un crollo senza precedenti.

Io lo so che forse per te gli strumenti democratici che contano sono esclusivamente quelli che ti aiutano a veicolare la tua convinzione politica, ma in UK direi che la petizione che raccoglie il più alto numero di firme assoluto della storia britannica ha un peso che va considerato in concomitanza con i risultati delle manifestazioni di piazza.

P.s. Mi puoi dire quale dei tuoi contatti all'interno della commissione parlamentare sui referendum ti ha passato la velina secondo cui i firmatari di questa petizione sono persone residenti fuori dall'UK o fake?