Crisi: Dentro gli USA

[Amati75]

[QUOTE=blobb;675642]

Scusami tanto... i tuoi numeri indicano 1 mld di affamati i miei 1.4 mld di poveri, ergo il numero della WB comprende gia' di per se il tuo, nel globale i poveri nel 1981 erano 1.9 mld, oggi 1.4, di questi 1.4, 1 sono affamati.

Quindi abbiamo che il segmento della popolazione che soffre la fame e' aumentanto, ma nel complesso i poveri sono diminuiti, diminunedo la poverta' arriverai ad un pinto nel quale diminueranno anche coloro che non hanno cibo, anche se, a dispetto dei sentimenti che si possano provare, la poverta' e la malnutrizionae non saranno mai debellati.[/QUOTE

io vedo un altra considerazione a parte che cina india brasile hanno fatto passi da giganti ecco la poverta diminuita è che i divari economici stanno aumentando in poche parole i ricchi sempre piu ricchi i poveri sempre di piu....

" parte che cina india brasile hanno fatto passi da giganti ecco la poverta diminuita"

Quindi?

E come hanno fatto questi passi da giganti? Con il "tuo" sistema economico o con il "mio"?

No tutti crescono allo stesso momento ed in ugual forma, il capitalismo non e' una bachetta magica, non basta dire, da oggi siamo per il mercato , capitalismo e libero commercio, per far si che la poverta' diminuisca...
Bisogna anche saperci fare, esempio la Russia, senza materie prime ha un economia ridicola.

Non e' vero che i poveri diventano sempre piu' poveri... se siamo passati dal 43.3 al 23.3% la tua affermazione e' completamente errata.
Che male c'e' se uno diventa piu; ruicco, ma nel mentre investe e crea opportunita'?

In Bangaladesh uno e' diventato miliardario (da ricco che gia' era) facendo micro-crediti ai poveri (sopratutto donne), i quali con questi microcrediti hanno potuto, il piu' delle volte, migliorare la qualita' della loro vita materiale.
Sarebbe uno disgraziato solo perche' ci ha fatto pure i soldi?

[Amati75]

Non ti sembra di esagerare? Sicuramente quei pochi soldi non permettono una dieta nutrizionale equilibrata.

Dipende dove vivi.. anche in Messico se hai 2 dollari al giorno mangi in modo equilibrato (sevivi nelle campagne e nei piccoli centri), ed in Messico 2 dollari comprano molto ma molto meno che nei paesi SubSahariani...

Non si vive di solo cibo, lo sai, vero?

Ovvio, ma considera che in alcuni posti 2 dollari li vedono in un mese eppure vivono ed in altri proprpio mai dato che usano il baratto... dipende dallo standard di vita che hai e dove vivi.

Mi pare di rammentare che il PIl per capita mondiale sia quasi uguale a quello della Costa Rica, mi pare nominalmente sui 5100 dollari annuali (o in ppp 11,000), quindi al cambio di oggi sui 3000/3500 euro annuali, secondo te quindi se facciamo quello che tu vorresti, nel mondo la poverta' verrebbe ridotta o no?

No, specie nel medio e lungo termine risulterebbe essere maggiore di oggi, indovina perche'.

[Amati75]

Manufacturing Gains in U.S., China Lead Global Economic Revival



Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Manufacturing in the U.S. expanded in November for a fourth month and factories in China churned out goods at the fastest pace in five years as government efforts to revive growth spurred world trade.

Stocks rose in the U.S., extending a global rally, after the reports added to evidence that factories are powering a recovery from the worst recession since World War II. India beat economists’ forecasts on Nov. 30 with 7.9 percent growth in the third quarter, and South Korea said today its exports gained for the first time in 13 months.

Sales are rising at companies from Midland, Michigan-based Dow Chemical Co. to Gyeonggi, South Korea-based Samsung Electronics Co. after governments worldwide injected more than $2 trillion of stimulus since September 2008 and central banks slashed interest rates. Manufacturers are likely to keep assembly lines humming as they replenish depleted stockpiles, economists said.

“Most countries are pretty firmly in growth mode,” said Michael Feroli, an economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in New York. “A lot of the gains in manufacturing are coming from the resumption of global trade, and production is playing catch-up with demand. Inventories are lining up well for further production gains.”

The Tempe, Arizona-based Institute for Supply Management said today its U.S. manufacturing index fell to 53.6, lower than forecast, from October’s three-year high of 55.7. Readings above 50 signal expansion.

China Factory Indexes

China’s manufacturing expanded at the fastest pace since April 2004, according to a purchasing managers’ index released earlier today by HSBC Holdings Plc. The index rose to a seasonally adjusted 55.7 from 55.4. The government’s PMI, also published today, held at an 18-month high.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index added 1.2 percent to 1,108.83 at 1:03 p.m. in New York and Europe’s Dow Jones Stoxx 600 Index jumped 2.7 percent, the most since July. The dollar weakened against 14 of the 16 most-traded currencies, gold rose to a record and oil climbed more than 2 percent. The MSCI Asia Pacific Index jumped 1.5 percent.

“China’s at the center of Asia’s outperformance and that will continue to be the case, at least through the first half of 2010,” said Glenn Maguire, chief Asia-Pacific economist at Societe Generale SA in Hong Kong. “Without China’s aggressive policy response to the crisis, the region wouldn’t be where it is now.”

Australia’s central bank cited the speed of Asia’s rebound in today’s unprecedented decision to raise interest rates for a third straight month. Norway and Israel have also tightened policy, while the Federal Reserve is likely to keep interest rates close to zero until August to help bring down unemployment that has climbed to a 26-year high, according to a Bloomberg survey of economists early last month.

Further Accommodation

“Globally, there’s need for further accommodation if not necessarily more stimulus, with only a few exceptions,” said JPMorgan’s Feroli, a former Fed economist. “Some of the measures will cool, and at some point, we need to see U.S. demand pick up. It depends on hiring picking up and businesses starting to invest more.”

Australian central bank Governor Glenn Stevens said today that capital flows into Asia and other emerging markets have been picking up and the region’s financial sectors are not “impaired.”

China and India are the fastest-growing of the world’s major economies. In China, gross domestic product will expand 10.5 percent this quarter, helping the government to top its 8 percent target for the year, according to the median estimate of 38 economists. The nation’s growth fuels demand for Australian resources such as iron ore.

Growth Forecast

Economists surveyed by Bloomberg at the beginning of November forecast the U.S. economy would grow at a 3 percent pace in the last three months of the year, following a 2.8 percent pace in the third quarter.

A rebound in global growth and a 16 percent drop in the dollar since March against a basket of six major trading partners are helping spur demand from abroad for U.S. goods. Exports climbed 9.4 percent in the five months through September, the biggest such gain since comparable records began in 1992, according to figures from the Commerce Department.

Growth in Asia is helping the rest of the world. Euro- region manufacturing expanded more than economists originally estimated in November and German unemployment unexpectedly dropped, separate reports showed today.

The world’s recovery from the financial crisis is still uneven. Dubai shares tumbled and Abu Dhabi’s stock index dropped the most in at least eight years on Nov. 29 after the government announced state-run Dubai World may delay debt payments.

Russian Contraction

In Russia, a manufacturing contraction deepened last month after export demand sagged, raising concern that a recovery in the world’s biggest energy exporter may be stalling, VTB Capital’s Purchasing Managers’ Index showed. An index of U.K. manufacturing fell to 51.8 in November from 53.7, Markit Economics said. Economists had predicted a reading of 54.

The pace of Chinese growth is also causing political tension as it refuses to bow to calls to allow the yuan to appreciate. Premier Wen Jiabao rebuffed yesterday calls by European leaders for China to let its currency strengthen, saying that a stable yuan helped global financial stability.

The nation has effectively pegged the yuan to the U.S. currency since July last year to shield exporters from slumping global demand.

The stability of China’s currency against the dollar contrasts with gains this year by the yen and the euro that have hurt exporters in Japan and the euro region. After an emergency meeting today, Japan’s central bank said it would provide short- term loans to commercial banks, aiding an economy that is also grappling with deflation.

Rising Yen

Eisuke Sakakibara, formerly Japan’s top currency official, said today that the yen may rise beyond 80 per dollar by March, approaching its 1995 record, and any attempts to halt its advance through intervention will fail.

In China, growth is stabilizing and becoming more sustainable, and government investment, which is driving the recovery, will gradually be reduced, Zhang Liqun, a researcher at the State Council Development and Research Center, said in the statement with the government’s PMI.

The “velocity of the recovery in China has indeed been surprising,” Marius Klopper, the chief executive of BHP Billiton Ltd., the world’s largest mining company, said Nov. 26. “Chinese growth will continue and will continue to be resources-intensive.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Shobhana Chandra in Washington at schandra1@bloomberg.net; Bob Willis in Washington at bwillis@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: December 1, 2009 13:41 EST

Manufacturing Gains in U.S., China Lead Global Economic Revival - Bloomberg.com

[Feliks]

Anche in Cina e Brasile i ricchi stanno diventando sempre più ricchi e di conseguenza i poveri sempre più poveri.

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[Amati75]

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Perche' per lui se non diventi ricco quanto uno ricco sei povero.

[-Duca-]

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ti ricordo che devi andare a fare la spesa gratis al supermercato

[Immanuel]

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Ovvio, se giri in Ferrari presa gratis dal magazzino dove tutti entrano prendono quello che vogliono e vanno via, sei ovviamente più povero di uno che gira in Bugatti.

[Gian_Maria]

secondo te quindi se facciamo quello che tu vorresti, nel mondo la poverta' verrebbe ridotta o no?

Se facessimo quello che proponiamo noi socialisti (proprietà comune e controllo democratico dei mezzi di produzione + libero accesso al prodotto sociale) la povertà nel mondo sparirebbe pressoché immediatamente.

[Gian_Maria]

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La povertà relativa è sempre povertà.

[Immanuel]

Se facessimo quello che proponiamo noi socialisti (proprietà comune e controllo democratico dei mezzi di produzione + libero accesso al prodotto sociale) la povertà nel mondo sparirebbe pressoché immediatamente.

Come no.. Tipo in Corea del Nord. :gluglu: