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    Citazione Originariamente Scritto da Sintierra
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    direbbe ste cosette qui...

    Il gruppo di ricerca ha utilizzato 52 denti nell' ultimo studio.
    Ha collegato i bambini con il cancro e lo strontium-90, un isotopo radioattivo emesso in piccole dosi dai reattori.
    Lo studio ha mostrato che i bambini con cancro hanno più isotopi nei loro denti rispetto i bambini senza cancro.
    Mangano ha riconosciuto il problema del campione ed ha accolto favorevolmente i suggerimenti dei commissari.
    A proposito di Mangano e delle minchiate...

    Here's Ralph Andersen, NEI's chief health physicist:

    Mr. Mangano's allegations of health effects associated with emissions from nuclear power plants have been reviewed in detail and repeatedly discredited by at least 8 state and 2 county public health departments, as well as the USNRC, as follows:

    USNRC; State of Connecticut; State of Florida; State of Illinois; State of New Jersey; State of New York; State of Pennsylvania; State of Minnesota; State of Michigan; Westchester County, NY and Suffolk County, NY.

    In fact, we are not aware of any federal, state, or local government public health departments that have reviewed Mr. Mangano's allegations and found them to be credible.

    Analisi scientifica di smentita delle stronzate di Mangano:



    n After 30 years of allegations, none of the “tooth fairy project” claims has been substantiated by state and/or federal authorities. But during that time, the claims have been refuted or questioned by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the National Cancer Institute, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the American Cancer Society, and state and local health officials.



    Specious Claims About Strontium-90

    For several decades, a small group of activists has tried to instill fear in the public that a substance called strontium-90 is evidence that low levels of radiation released from nuclear power plants causes cancer and other health problems in nearby residents. Since the claims first surfaced some 30 years ago, they continuously have been dismissed by mainstream scientists as scare tactics and “junk science,” contributing nothing to finding the real causes of cancer. They are instead manipulations of the public by these groups without any basis in science. These studies are known as the “tooth fairy project.”



    In November 2003, RPHP, the group that sponsors most of the strontium-90 claims, said a new study found strontium-90 to be 34 percent higher in baby teeth of children born after 1979 in three Pennsylvania counties than in the rest of the state.



    These counties are near the Limerick nuclear power plant and within 80 miles of 11 other reactors. RPHP claims the timing is significant because the first Limerick reactor began operation in 1984 and the second in 1989. RPHP claims the plants are the reason strontium-90 levels in nearby counties were found to be above state and national averages.



    RPHP claimed an earlier study in Suffolk County, N.Y., near Brookhaven Nuclear Laboratory, showed a “nearly identical” increase in incidences of childhood cancer and increases in the strontium-90 found in baby teeth. The group claimed that levels of strontium-90 are 50 percent higher in the teeth of childhood cancer victims than in teeth collected from non-cancer patients. Based on these findings, RPHP claimed a connection between radiation and cancer in the county. RPHP made these claims after collecting 95 teeth and testing 61.



    But RPHP’s claims do not stand up to scientific scrutiny. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency operates a nationwide network for monitoring radioactivity in the environment. The agency’s measurements indicate that although strontium-90 levels have declined since atmospheric nuclear weapons testing ended, the radioisotope still is detected in the environment, especially in milk, so you would expect to find it in baby teeth.



    John Matuszek, former director of the New York State Department of Health’s Radiological Sciences Laboratory, was hired by Suffolk County to evaluate RPHP’s research proposal there. He said the proposed sample sizes were too small and that detectors used in the study were incapable of differentiating between strontium- 90 and naturally occurring radioactive compounds, and that error margins they claimed were implausible. Matuszek said RPHP’s conclusions “have nothing to do with cancer cases.”



    “What they do is what’s popularly referred to as ‘junk science,’” said Dr. Joshua Lipsman, the health commissioner in Westchester County, N.Y., where the Indian Point nuclear plant is located.



    “We found a number of scientific error, both in measurement and process, in their proposals,” Lipsman said.



    The claims regularly surface in areas where nuclear plants are pursuing an extended operating license—a process that requires an environmental review by the NRC. Most recently, these claims surfaced in connection with the environmental review accompanying the renewal of the operating license for the Turkey Point nuclear plant in Florida. In 2000, RPHP released a study titled “Strontium-90 in Deciduous Teeth as a Factor in Early Childhood Cancer,” alleging an increase in cancer incidence resulting from strontium-90 releases from nuclear facilities, evidenced by elevated levels of the substance in children’s teeth.



    The NRC, in its 2002 impact statement for Turkey Point, determined that the RPHP study does not present any new information not already dismissed in numerous earlier strontium-90 studies released by the group. The staff also determined that strontium-90 found in deciduous teeth in the vicinity did not result from releases from Turkey Point and that there is no increased incidence of cancer in the area due to Turkey Point operation.



    What Is Strontium-90?

    Strontium-90 is produced only by atomic bombs, nuclear submarines and nuclear reactors. It is a good element to study because it has a long half-life, 28.7 years, and is easy to test.



    Strontium-90 is chemically similar to calcium, following calcium through the food chain and appearing in human bone and teeth. Thus, strontium-90 found in baby teeth has been transported through the milk of dairy cattle that have eaten vegetation containing the material. Strontium-90 is found only in baby teeth because the adult body rejects the material in favor of calcium.



    Like all radioactive materials, strontium-90 can be measured precisely at extremely low levels. The U.S. Department of Energy and its predecessor agencies have monitored strontium-90 levels since the early 1950s. Radiation safety programs at nuclear power plants monitor and analyze air and water releases—including specific analysis for strontium-90—using state-of-the-art sampling techniques and laboratory analysis. These monitoring programs—which are subject to strict oversight by the NRC and states—provide the government with accurate information that is published on a regular basis and available to the public.



    The multiple safety barriers and constant monitoring used at nuclear power plants ensure any strontium-90 releases are so small that they would be undetectable in comparison with the amount of strontium-90 already in the environment from weapons testing. These levels are well below government limits. No credible scientific study has shown that the levels of strontium found in the environment pose a health risk. It is misleading and reckless to equate the mere presence of a radioactive isotope—many of which are produced naturally by the environment and by the human body—with adverse health effects. Claims of a link between strontium-90 and breast cancer are not supported by sound science.



    A Legacy of Questionable Science and False Claims

    The latest round of claims actually is based on a twisted variation of scientific studies on baby teeth during the early days of the Cold War. Scientists began to complain that the government was regularly testing atomic bombs domestically without knowing the effects it would have on the public. The campaign to collect baby teeth started in 1959 at Washington University in St. Louis. Strontium-90 was chosen as a proxy for the dozens of slow-to-decay radioactive compounds in nuclear fallout because it was easy to detect in testing.



    There are three sources of strontium-90 in the environment: fallout from nuclear weapons testing, releases from the Chernobyl accident in the Ukraine and minute releases from nuclear power reactors. Even today, strontium-90 from weapons testing fallout is by far the largest source.



    The validity of the tooth study has been questioned by the scientific community. In 1964, scientist John Harley, of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission’s Health and Safety Laboratory, questioned the use of teeth to determine health effects from fallout during weapons testing. Harley wrote: “Among the available monitoring systems, the use of deciduous teeth or other teeth does not offer any advantage.”



    A 1970 American Academy of Pediatrics committee also criticized the hypothesis linking fallout from nuclear weapons tests to health effects. It called the tooth fairy study conclusions “unfounded and unsubstantiated.” The original study eventually was abandoned.



    RPHP was founded in 1985 and acquired the baby teeth left over from the Cold War study. RPHP began altering the original research purpose of examining the teeth and instead used them as a means to seek the closure of nuclear power plants.



    A 1990 NIH study, “Cancer in Populations Living Near Nuclear Facilities,” evaluated cancer deaths occurring between 1950 and 1984 in 107 counties with nuclear installations and certain adjacent counties in the United States. The peer-reviewed study found:



    n “Overall, and for specific groups of nuclear installations, there was no evidence to suggest that cancer mortality in counties with nuclear facilities was higher than, or was increasing in time faster than, the mortality experience of similar counties in the United States.



    n “This study has found no suggestion that nuclear facilities may be linked causally with excess deaths from leukemia or from other cancers in populations living nearby.”



    A 1991 National Cancer Institute study also is at odds with the RPHP claims, finding no general increased risk of death from cancer for people living near 62 reactors.



    Zdenek Hrubec, a biostatistician who worked on the 1991 National Cancer Institute study, said it is difficult to imagine a case where reactors caused an increase in cancer that was hidden in the statistics. “You’d have to postulate that there was a deficit of smokers or industrial pollutants in the same places where there were nuclear reactors.”



    In 1999, RPHP announced preliminary findings of a study claiming a greater risk for women in some counties in Long Island, N.Y., of developing breast cancer, based on evidence gathered in its baby tooth study. This study focused on the Millstone, Oyster Creek and Indian Point nuclear plants. The NIH’s National Cancer Institute conducted a study to investigate the incidence of breast cancer on Long Island. The study concluded that established risk factors—age, family history and genetic markers—appear to be the main reason for the breast cancer clusters in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic.1



    Those involved with the “tooth fairy project” claimed they found high levels of strontium-90 in baby teeth near the Turkey Point and St. Lucie plants in Florida. However, the Florida Department of Health monitors radiation levels at locations around the state’s nuclear plants and has found no emissions that would harm the citizens of Florida.



    In 2001, the American Cancer Society concluded that although reports about cancer case “clusters” in some communities have raised public concern, studies have shown that clusters do not occur more often near nuclear plants than they do by chance elsewhere in the population. Likewise, there is no new evidence that links strontium-90 with increases in breast cancer, prostate cancer or childhood cancer rates.



    “Ionizing radiation emissions from nuclear facilities are closely controlled and involve negligible levels of exposure for communities near such plants,” the American Cancer Society said.



    Scientists Debunk‘Tooth Fairy’ Claim

    The following is a compilation of the results of numerous studies that repeatedly have addressed and debunked RPHP’s allegations linking low-level radiation and cancer.



    American Cancer Society, New Jersey Division, Sept. 26, 1997.



    “Ionizing radiation emissions from nuclear facilities are closely controlled and involve negligible levels of exposure for communities near such plants. Although reports about cancer case clusters in such communities have raised public concern, studies show that clusters do not occur more often near nuclear plants than they do by chance elsewhere in the population.”



    Stephen V. Musolino, et al., comments on “Breast Cancer: Evidence for a Relation to Fission Products in the Diet,” International Journal of Health Services, 1995, 25(3), 475-480.



    “For over three decades, Ernest Sternglass (recently joined by Jay Gould) has made more than 50 similar allegations connecting radioactivity from fallout from nuclear weapons testing and, subsequently, from nuclear reactors, with increased infant mortality, a decline in SAT scores, and an increase in leukemia mortality. Lately, they have begun to make claims of a correlation between breast cancer incidence and releases of radioactivity from nuclear power plants.



    “In the past, over 50 critical examinations of these types of allegations by numerous reputable scientists have found the Sternglass methodology scientifically deficient and consisting principally of selected evidence. Furthermore, as an example of the numerous formal refutations of the claims by Sternglass and/or Gould, the Minnesota Energy Agency concluded that ‘with respect to Dr. Sternglass, both his methodology and his conclusions have been repeatedly rejected in numerous scientific and technical studies, including evaluations done by the United States Environmental Protection Agency, the National Cancer Institute, the National Academy of Sciences and by many independent scientists.’”



    Mark S. Rappoport, M.D., M.P.H., Westchester County Commissioner of Health, letter to the editor, North County News, Nov. 22, 1995.



    “I am writing in response to a letter to the editor citing a new study by Greenpeace, which

    alleges a correlation between breast cancer rates and proximity to nuclear power plants in the Great Lakes Basin. In 1993, a similar allegation was made by the same authors about breast cancer rates in this area and was totally discredited by local, state and national health officials.”



    “Fact vs. Fear,” letter to the editor, Minneapolis Star Tribune, May 6, 1995.



    “Sternglass’ findings were surprising, as they did not square with other known studies. The (Minnesota) Department of Health quite properly chose to investigate. It performed a much more rigorous analysis of cancer data than did Sternglass, considering not just breast cancer mortality rates but far more numerous data on cancer occurrences. In addition, it studied types of cancers known to be sensitive to radiation exposure: bone and thyroid cancer and leukemia. In all cases, the study found cancer rates ‘statistically indistinguishable’ between the 10 counties near nuclear plants and the balance of the state. In fact, the study notes that rates were lower or showed a sharper downward trend in the ‘nuclear’ counties. Although those differences are not significant, they are the opposite of what would be expected if a harmful exposure had occurred in these counties.



    “What, therefore, to make of the allegations from Sternglass? The Health Department is somewhat gentle in dismissing his ‘methodological limitations and errors.’ But such nuclear fear mongering has real consequences. … Let this study by the Department of Health put to rest ill-founded fears raised to scare citizens into making costly, uninformed, short-term decisions.”



    Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System report, “The Occurrence of Cancer in Minnesota 1988-1992: Incidence, Mortality and Trends,” submitted to the Minnesota Department of Health – Chronic Disease and Environmental Epidemiology, March 1995.



    “This analysis was undertaken following allegations by several individuals and environmental groups in 1994 that significant increases in breast cancer mortality rates had occurred in counties close to the Prairie Island and Monticello nuclear power plants.



    “The differences in rates in these counties and other ‘nuclear’ counties in Minnesota and throughout the U.S. were attributed to the operation of those plants.



    “The Minnesota Department of Health attempted to replicate and expand those analyses using complete cancer mortality data for the period 1950 through 1992. No significant differences in trends in breast cancer mortality rates were detected for counties surrounding the Monticello or Prairie Island plants compared to the overall Minnesota average. Also, no significant differences were found for the rates of newly diagnosed breast cancers for the years 1988-1992, for which complete data are available from the Minnesota Cancer Surveillance System. No differences were found in mortality or incidence rates for cancers of the bone and thyroid gland or for leukemia—cancers for which ionizing radiation is an established risk factor.”



    John Moulder, The Milwaukee Journal, Oct. 27, 1994.



    “John Moulder, a radiation biologist at the Medical College of Wisconsin in Wauwatosa, said the Sternglass claim was ‘patently false. There has been no unexpected increase in cancer rates in the counties that have or are next to nuclear facilities, including Manitowoc and Kewaunee Counties,’ Moulder said.”



    B. Kim Mortensen, The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer, Oct. 7, 1993.



    “Nuclear power critic Ernest Sternglass boldly proclaimed in August that the Perry nuclear power plant caused an increase in low-birth-weight babies in Lake, Geauga, Cuyahoga and Ashtabula counties. The Ohio Department of Health says it isn’t so.



    “State officials reviewed Sternglass’ data and determined his methods were flawed. They found no evidence to support his claim that Perry caused a 40 percent rise in low-birth-weight babies in the four counties from 1986 through 1991.



    “‘The rise is artificial. He created the rise,’ said Kim Mortensen, chief of the epidemiology and toxicology bureau. ‘If you look at what he did, he picked points, whether intentional or not, that made them go in the direction he wanted. Some would argue he produced the results he wanted.’”



    William R. Hendlee, review of the book “Deadly Deceit: Low-Level Radiation, High-Level Cover-Up,” Journal of the Health Physics Society, December 1990, 59(6).



    “Many of the allegations in this book have been discredited several times over. For example, the National Center for Health Statistics reports that the age-adjusted U.S. mortality rate actually dropped to an all-time low in 1986. The Connecticut Department of Public Health has been unable to identify any cancer increases near the Millstone facility, and the Pennsylvania Department of Health has detected no health effects other than psychological stress resulting from the Three Mile Island accident. But these conclusions do not seem to deter the authors.”



    Paul Meier, “Sly Statistics,” review of the book “Deadly Deceit: Low-Level Radiation, High-Level Cover-Up,” The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, September 1990.



    “In essence, Sternglass followed an old and discredited style of epidemiological analysis, unsystematically selecting data sets and analyses that fit one’s thesis, and ignoring or explaining away other findings. Public health data are so rife with selection biases and other distortions that even the most experienced practitioners often go astray. Epidemiology is not a field for amateurs.”



    David Carroll, letter to Governor’s Chesapeake Bay Coordinator, State of Maryland, Office of the Governor, Aug. 15, 1988.



    “The correlation between infant mortality and radiation from Peach Bottom (nuclear power plant), which Dr. Sternglass asserts exists, is not supported by the information presented. A preliminary review of this information by several Maryland agencies indicates that this information does not merit a detailed review.



    “I am also concerned that inaccurate information such as that presented by Dr. Sternglass is continually used to misinform the public, and to promote emotional, rather than rational, responses.”



    Pennsylvania Department of Health, news release in response to Sternglass allegations, April 20, 1981.



    “The state Health Department’s director of epidemiological research labeled a two-part magazine article written by nuclear-power opponent Dr. Sternglass as ‘highly inaccurate to the extent of creating unnecessary fear in the minds of Commonwealth Citizens.’



    “Dr. Sternglass’ words have the potential of creating fear, apprehension, stress and even panic among the residents of central Pennsylvania. This is totally irresponsible, and the Department of Health regrets that the public has been subjected to such unfounded statements from Dr. Sternglass,’ Dr. George Tokuhata said.”



    Michigan Department of Public Health, review of Sternglass paper, “Infant Mortality Changes Near the Big Rock Point Nuclear Power Stations, Charlevoix, Michigan,” February 1971.



    “Sternglass’ papers have not been based on scientific tests, but rather on a statistical data evaluation of infant mortality rates and reactor-plant emissions, selecting and rejecting figures to arrive at an apparently biased conclusion.



    “In his statistics, Sternglass lists 10 counties on a chart called ‘Adjacent Counties.’ What they are adjacent to is unknown, because if it refers to the Big Rock Point plant, he is using Crawford, Kakaska, Benzie and Grand Traverse counties, all of which have a buffer county between them and the power plant. But only by using Grand Traverse County, 45 miles from the plant and approximately 180 degrees from the direction of the prevailing winds, is he able to make his point of a rise in the infant mortality during 1966-67. Grand Traverse County had a percentage increase of 44.5 during that period.



    “Charlevoix, the county in which the plant is located, and Emmet County, directly east of the site and in line with the prevailing winds, had a decrease in infant mortality from 1966-67. Sternglass’ conclusion that the reactor plant has influence over the 10 counties is certainly questionable when the two closest counties show no effect and he is forced to use counties far to the south to buoy his figures.



    “The ‘three independent tests’ [with which Dr. Sternglass claimed to have verified his data] were not tests at all, but other papers written by Dr. Sternglass using the same irresponsible method of interpreting and selecting figures to fit his conclusions.



    “Based on the material used by Sternglass, there is no logical reason to conclude that there is a connection between infant mortality and radioactive effluent from the Big Rock Point reactor.”



    Office of Radiological Health, Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Resources, summary statement on Sternglass allegations concerning nuclear power and infant mortality, Feb. 8, 1971.



    “It appears that Dr. Sternglass, even using selected data to fit his theories, has not proven that any relationship exists between the proximity to nuclear facilities in Pennsylvania and infant mortality rates.”



    Committee on Environmental Hazards, American Academy of Pediatrics, April 15, 1970.



    “Significant time and energy have been devoted to evaluating the papers and conclusions of Dr. Sternglass. Evaluation of the data has convinced the committee that his conclusions are completely unfounded and unsubstantiated. The Sternglass hypothesis can be criticized for these reasons:



    n “He has selected data to prepare his hypothesis without considering the far more extensive data that do not support it. In particular, his conclusions conflict with the results of a sophisticated study concerning the offspring of atomic-bomb survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.



    n “Several assumptions on which Sternglass’ hypothesis rests have been shown to be erroneous.



    n “He has misinterpreted some information in seeking support for his thesis from other studies.



    n “Animal experiments concerned with chronic irradiation delivered at a much higher dose rate than that delivered by fallout radiation, and in some instances for many generations, do not increase fetal or infant mortality.”



    “Dr. Sternglass’ concern about nuclear warfare and fallout is shared by all. By misinterpreting the available data and subjecting himself and science in general to ridicule or suspicion, he may inadvertently be hampering the attainment of some of the goals he considers important. The committee shared his concern but not his methodology or conclusions.”



    Peter Greenwald, M.D., Director, Cancer Control Bureau, and Sandra Kinch, Director, Health Statistics, New York State Department of Health, “Is There Evidence for an Association of Radioactive Fallout to Leukemia and Fetal Mortality in New York State?” (n.d.)



    “Doctor E. J. Sternglass has presented evidence purporting to show a relationship of radioactive fallout to leukemia and fetal mortality. Crucial to his analysis are the leukemia and fetal mortality trends in the Albany-Schenectady-Rensselaer county area of New York state during the 1950s.



    “Using ‘Vital Statistics’ and State Cancer Registry data, the New York State Department of Health has analyzed the Sternglass report and the data upon which it is based. The results of our analyses tend to refute the validity and the conclusion of the Sternglass report. We, therefore, can find no evidence for a relationship of fallout to leukemia in Albany, Schenectady or Rensselaer counties.”
    http://www.nei.org/index.asp?catnum=3&catid=1137
    1 “Report to the U.S. Congress: The Long Island Breast Cancer Study,” Department of Health and Human Services, November 2004.
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    That's it..!

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    A proposito del nucleare e della salute...

    Qui http://www.galileo2001.it/materiali/...enta/index.php

    ci sono due articoli di Giorgio Trenta

    Docente di Radioprotezione - Università La Sapienza di Roma
    Presidente dell'AIRM (Associazione italiana di Radioprotezione Medica)
    Direttore del Servizio di Medicina del Lavoro dell'INFN

    E in questa pubblicazione di oltre cento pagine troverete un saggio del Prof. Trenta sul nucleare e la salute...
    http://www.galileo2001.it/materiali/...o_nucleare.pdf

    Di GALILEO2001 Associazione per la libertà e dignità della scienza fanno parte i più grossi oncologi Italiani, parliamo di gente come Veronesi e Tirelli

    Se Sintierra è un ignorante, un disinformatore, un bugiardo, un asservito alla mitologia della junk science dei siti di serie b, delle informazioni false, degli studi taroccati BEH IO NON LO SONO e così come Veronesi e Tirelli -grandi oncologi e grandi nuclearisti- e come tutti quegli scienziati su che sputtanano il cazzaro di turno che Sintierra pensava io non sapessi chi fosse [ed è cascato male] mi permetto di dissentire

    Saluti e baci agli Agit prop, la scienza vince sempre.
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    Se rivince la CDL non è irrealistico, Tremonti in FI, Urso in AN e tanti altri sono nuclearisti apertis verbis.
    per favore ronnie, ti stimo e so che sei troppo intelligente per credere veramente alle buffonate di un personaggio come tremonti...


    se è per questo tremonti aveva detto che ci sarebbe stata la ripresa e che i conti dello stato erano a posto e poi guarda tutte le altre sparate che ha fatto...è un personaggio inutile e senza nessuna credibilità.

    un conto sono le tipiche sparate del populismo forzista, un altro sono progetti conreti (intanto su progetti di infrastrutture e opere pubbliche senza veti o problemi come il nucleare in 5 anni non è stato fatto nulla quindi non prendere per vero nulla che viene dalla bocca di quella gente)

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    mmm grazie della stima ma non condivido il tuo giudizio così tranchant su Giulio Tremonti, non lo condivido perchè non aveva nè pressioni politiche, nè gente a cui rispondere, nè era il suo campo di lavoro al Governo a venire toccato da quelle dichiarazioni -fatte peraltro anche da Berlusconi- e dunque ho attribuito ad esse la credibilità che attribuisco al prof. Tremonti dell'Uni Sondrio e a un commercialista tributarista libero professionista che è il migliore e più pagato in Italia Voglio dire un conto è la previsione politica fatta perchè il governo ti chiede di farla perchè serve di dire che tutto va bene, altro è la dichiarazione di una persona che non è stupida, ha una preparazione, e ha un ruolo politico serio quale quello di vicepresidente del primo partito del paese quando dice una cosa che non lo vincola -perchè erano dichiarazioni sul "ripensare" e non ancora sul "fare"- e che dunque non puo' essere stata mossa da pressioni ma solo da ragionamenti suoi. Io Tremonti lo conosco e so che è una persona seria, anche se su alcune cose si dissente anche tra persone che hanno punti in comune. Io poi non ho votato la CDL alle scorse elezioni, quindi proprio non ho nemmeno il tifo...

    Detto questo rimane il fatto che il Governo Berlusconi ha rimosso gli ostacoli normativi all'acquisizione di centrali nucleari estere da parte dell'ENEL.


    Non a caso si legge:

    Enel attività Nucleari 2006
    http://www.fast.mi.it/enel.pdf
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    I tempi di decadimento di Iodio131, Cesio137, Stronzio90 anche fossero di un anno, non è che la centrale li tiene da parte per quell'anno.


    http://www.siicsalud.com/dato/dat042/05304002.htm

    Los niños de los trabajadores de la industria nuclear tienen mayor riesgo de presentar tumores sólidos, que se explica por la movilidad parental. Conclusiones: Es muy probable que el grupo de casos de pacientes con leucemia y linfoma en Seascale sea debido a la heterogeneidad de la población, si bien también puede jugar un papel la IPP.

    Sempre da:
    http://www2.ing.unipi.it/~d0728/GCIR/Costi.pdf

    costo di investimento 53.33 %
    costo combustibile 28.33 %
    costo esercizio manutenzione 16.66 %
    costo smantellamento 1.67 %

    Per avere 1000 W servono 5000 W di potenza per l'eolico
    per l nucleare 1150 (...per l'efficenza)

    1000 W eolico costa 5000 $
    1000 W nuc. costa 2250 $

    2250 $ sono per il nucleare il 53.33 % del costo dell'energia, mente per l'eolico 5000 $ è il 99 %.

    Cioè l'eolico costa il 19% in più del nucleare ( 4245 contro 5050 ) con il prezzo del combustibile a 1620 euro /kg U24 (= 0.85 euroc.il kwh.=28.33%)

    BDovrei cercare quanto cosa l'U24 ma anche con questi dati basta un piccolo aumento del combustibile o dei costi di trasporto o assicurazione o manutenzione ... ) per far convenire l'eolico.

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    Non riesco a trovare il prezzo dell' U24, ma sempre dal documento dell'università di Pisa "una triplicazione del prezzo dell'uranio porterebbe il costo del KWh nucleare da un costo di 3.0 a 3.48 eurocents/KWh, pari appena ad un aumento del 16%! Inoltre verrebbero minimizzai gli esborsi verso l'estero di valuta pregiata" .

    L'aumento dell'uranio c'è gia stato, comunque l'eolico lo porterebbe a 3.57 euroc. (aumento del 19%) azzerando gli esborsi verso l'estero.

    Con il nucleare rischiamo la salute nostra e delle prossime generazioni per un falso risparmio di 0.57 euroc. il kwh. !!!!!
    E dovremo sempre dipendere dall'estero.

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    I tempi di decadimento di Iodio131, Cesio137, Stronzio90 anche fossero di un anno, non è che la centrale li tiene da parte per quell'anno.
    Chiariamo subito che hai detto centinaia di migliaia di anni e l'emivita degli elementi in questione è invece 30nni, 28 anni e 8 giorni, quindi sei un notevole ignorante o un notevole ciarlatano a scelta dei lettori...

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    Un cialtrone o un ignorante, a tua scelta, puo' permettersi di dire in presenza di qualcuno che sa come stanno le cose un po' meglio di lui cose come:

    "5000 $/kWe è il 99 del costo del kWh"

    Citazione Originariamente Scritto da IEA TOPICAL EXPERT MEETING 48 ON
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    [...]Therefore, the operation and maintenance cost of wind farms has become a significant component of the levelized production cost of electricity from wind energy (around 25 % in some cases, for offshore even more).[...]
    L'ignorante o cialtrone (a sua scelta, perchè io di offese non vooglio macchiarmi e dunque presuppongo che "non sappia" di cosa parla e non che "menta") di nome sintierra dice cose false e molto sbagliate

    Tra l'1% del costo e il 25% del costo del kWh c'è un margine di errore di ventiquattro punti. Chi dica che O&M è 0 per l'eolico è un ignorante

    Citazione Originariamente Scritto da Sintierra
    2250 $ sono per il nucleare il 53.33 % del costo dell'energia, mente per l'eolico 5000 $ è il 99 %.
    Precisamente O&M per l'eolico, a detta del relatore della nota introduttiva al technical meeting della sezione Ricerca e Sviluppo dell'International Energy Agency [IEA R&D Wind] sugli O&M costs del 10 Maggio 2006 di Madrid , è il 25%

    Mentre l'Università di Pisa, da te giustamente citata, riporta come la manutenzione e operazione incida solo per il 16,6% sul costo kWh del nucleare


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    Citazione Originariamente Scritto da Ronnie Visualizza Messaggio
    Chiariamo subito che hai detto centinaia di migliaia di anni e l'emivita degli elementi in questione è invece 30nni, 28 anni e 8 giorni, quindi sei un notevole ignorante o un notevole ciarlatano a scelta dei lettori...

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    Lo 129I (emivita: 15,7 milioni di anni) è sia un prodotto del decadimento dello 129Xe nell'atmosfera terrestre, ma anche il risultato della fissione di uranio e plutonio

    http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodio


    Rifiuti gassosi

    Sono prodotti essenzialmente nel ciclo del combustibile nucleare (reattore, riprocessamento).

    Sono costituiti essenzialmente da gas nobili, ad esempio:
    Kr-85 (cripto 85), tempo di dimezzamento 10,7 anni
    Xe-133, (xeno 133), tempo di dimezzamento 5,2 giorni
    Alcuni radioisotopi solidi particolarmente volatili possono accompagnare i rifiuti gassosi. Ad esempio:
    I-131 (iodio 131), tempo di dimezzamento 8 giorni
    I-129 (iodio 129), tempo di dimezzamento 15 milioni di anni
    Cs-137 (cesio 137), tempo di dimezzamento 30 anni.
    Anche il tritio(H-3) e il carbonio-14 possono dar luogo a prodotti radioattivi gassosi (idrogeno, vapor d'acqua, anidride carbonica).

    Per tutti questi deve essere previsto un efficace sistema di intrappolamento, con conseguente produzione di rifiuti solidi o liquidi, a seconda delle tecniche impiegate.
    http://www.zonanucleare.com/scienza/...adioattivi.htm


    http://www.al.com/business/huntsvill...920.xml&coll=1
    The paint removal work took place in the reactor's "torus," which is a critical part of the reactor's containment system and is used to capture radioactive steam in the event of a nuclear accident. The torus has a vent system that has to be free of debris, such as paint chips.

    Effetti della radioattività

    L'effetto delle radiazioni nucleari su materiale non vivente è dovuto sostanzialmente a due cause: la ionizzazione e conseguente rottura dei legami chimici e la trasmutazione di alcuni nuclei in altri elementi.

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    Effetti sui materiali

    La trasmutazione rende necessaria una attenta scelta degli acciai e delle leghe metalliche destinate ad operare in ambienti radioattivi, perché ne cambia la composizione chimica e può far loro perdere le necessarie caratteristiche di resistenza meccanica; anche il cemento va incontro agli stessi inconvenienti, seppure in modo meno marcato. Inoltre, i nuclei trasmutati sono in parte anch'essi radioattivi; perciò il materiale, se esposto in via permanente alle radiazioni, con il passare del tempo accumula al suo interno isotopi instabili e diventa sempre più radioattivo. Questo è il motivo principale per cui le centrali nucleari hanno un limite di vita operativa prefissato (alcuni decenni), al termine del quale devono essere smantellate.

    Inoltre la radioattività è in grado di rendere inutilizzabile un circuito elettronico basato su semiconduttori, trasmutando gli atomi di silicio e alterando le deboli concentrazioni di elementi droganti da cui tali componenti elettronici derivano le loro capacità.

    http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioattività

 

 
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